Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad Rejected by CBS

February 2, 2010 -

A Super Bowl advertisement for Electronic Arts’ Dante’s Inferno game has fallen victim to CBS censors.

An original version of the ad had utilized the tagline “Go to Hell,” but that phrase was deemed to over the top for viewers of this Sunday’s big game and CBS rejected it. The Hollywood Reporter blog reports that EA will instead substitute the more sedate tagline “Hell Awaits” instead.

Another HR blog showcases a few more rejected Super Bowl ads and asks “What's a better value: spending $3 million plus production costs to air a 30-second ad during the Super Bowl or saving that $3 million when standards and practices lawyers at CBS reject the ad and everyone talks about the commercial anyway?”

Tim Tebow’s Super Bowl spots, paid for by Focus on the Family, are still set to air despite protests from pro-choice groups.


Thanks JT!


Comments

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Did anyone actually watch the Tebow ad? I still think it's strange to see that ad placed in a news story about Dantes Inferno. If anyone watched both ads, it's obvious that the Tebow ad wasn't controversial in the slightest. I don't understand what the big deal was about.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

But yet Tim's commercial ad is going to play?!?! What the hell?!?! I am still hoping that Dante's Inferno Commercial is still going to air even though they changed the "Go To Hell" line. Heaven forebid the vast majority see it that play games while the non-gamers won't like it. It's not all about them!

 

 

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

This reminds me of when I first moved to the south and realized people there don't like people using the word hell the hard way (or at least don't like 3rd graders using it). I used to live in connecticut where nobody cared.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

I would like to tell the CBS that THEY should GO TO HELL!!!

 

TBoneTony

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Another cheap shot at "pro-life"/"anti-abortion" people GP. Just because JT shares these beliefs does not make it acceptable for you to drag it into this.  Keep the Gutter Journalism up, your giving people like JT a leg to stand on.

I mean its not like people think less of MSNBC, CNN and FOX for doing it :rolls eyes:

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Once again, you talk out of your ass. If you feel these articles are pointless or false, then why do you bother reading them, let alone whine about them in the comments?

While I acknowledge your right to say such things, if you got a problem with how Pete runs things around here, then why don't you try gunning for his job as GP's editor? Sure beats whining about the problem in the comments section of the articles you object to.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Easy if I say nothing, it will continue and people will ask "why didn't you say anything?". So I say something.

I used to be an avid reader and a very active forums member, this slowly diminished to just being a reader and occasional commenter, because I felt that Dennis had begun sensationalizing news articles and passing his opinion as fact. I had hoped that this would change with a new editor. Since it has not, instead of slipping away once again, I decided to say something and bring it to his attention.

I am not an Journalist or a writer, I am a gamer, who keeps up with politics. Hence this should be a place that I would want to visit. I am nothing more then a reader and commentator here, bringing issues that I feel are important to the table.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Sounds to me like you are reading into things that aren't actually there. There is an apt comparison, between the Tebow Commercial and the EA commercial. CBS is airing a very controversial commercial, made even more controversial due to the fact that up until now, CBS refused to air "Advocacy Ads." The Tebow Commercial is causing controversy, and there are people threatening to boycott the Super Bowl, because of it.

Compare that to the fact that the EA Commercial, which was wholly uncontroversial, and nobody, anywhere complained about it's content, was prohibited by airing. Frankly, it shows a lack of integrity on CBS' part, and is worth noting that CBS decided that the video game ad was less appropriate to air, and a bigger risk to thier bottom line, despite it's lack of controversy, than the immensely controversial Tebow Commercial.

You sound a whole lot like the chorus of people who kept crying about Dennis' supposed editorial slant, when it came to reporting politics. Frankly, it was Dennis' right to post whatever he wanted, and it's now Pete's right to do the same. If you don't like it, don't read it. More importantly, quit complaining about it, because it's their right to do what they want with the site. However, remember, this is arguably one of the best sites on the internet to get news related to video games and politics, and despite the fact that you (incorrectly) feel this site is unfair to the Anti-Choice/Anti-Abortion crowd, you'll be missing out on coverage you might not find anywhere else.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Again its comparing controversial (which may cause offense) to something that is offensive. Starting to sound like a broken record. Again controversial (which may cause offense) vs offensive.

If there was a chorus of people complaining about Dennis's slant. I would like to meet them. As a recall there was only myself and maybe two others who said anything about it. And yes it did get bad at the end, you could see it in his writing. Some bias is bound to occur no matter how hard you try, however this is one issue that should not be taken lightly or trivialized.

I will not quit "complaining" about it, as I would like to see it changed, it is as much my right to say something about it as it is theirs.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

"...it is as much my right to say something about it as it is theirs."

As I have said, I acknowledge this right, but as Valdearg said, you don't have to read it, or comment on it, if you don't think it belongs here. There might be someone who does think it belongs here.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Yes but I want to effect, what is the going term now...., CHANGE and that requires me to say/do something as I stated before.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Perfect alternative for you: Try to get Pete's job.

Seriously, instead of whining about it, you're in control of what gets posted here and what doesn't.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Look, while the pro-life ad is a controversial issue, not offensive, the Dante's Inferno ad certainly isn't either. Like I said earlier, it would be quite the stretch to think of who it would offend. You're comparing something controverisal to something that really can't be seen as offensive. The phrase "go to hell" isn't something strong.

Now, as for the slant, prove it. Name the articles. It can't be that hard. 

You have the right to speak out, complain, whatever you want to call it, as much as you like. Just expect to be challenged. 

 

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

I explained why it is offensive to Val in his post just before yours. I do not have to prove that his articles are slanted, I have stated before that the appearance of bias is just as offensive to people as a provable bias (not to mention provable bias usually is proven when one side sleeps with the other). As for the difficulty, of proving said bias, your asking me to spend my time running across a bed of fire, sinking hours in for you to spend 5 minutes in a reply, therefore it is not effective for me to do that for you ;) You should be able to google past posts where I called him out, and if you want to talk about a specific time, I will gladly enter into that discussion.

And as I stated I will challenge these articles myself in the comments when I do not agree. So way to go, puff out your chest more, it will make people take you more seriously :rolls eyes:

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Actually, you should prove. When you make a claim, you should have evidence to back it up. Why can't you name the articles. You want to accuse someone of something, you should be able to have evidence to prove it. You say that there have been past articles showing bias.

"And as I stated I will challenge these articles myself in the comments when I do not agree. So way to go, puff out your chest more, it will make people take you more seriously :rolls eyes:"

How funny. When you challenge something, it's normal. When I challenge you it's puffing my chest. :smiles smuggly:

 

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

"Again its comparing controversial (which may cause offense) to something that is offensive. Starting to sound like a broken record. Again controversial (which may cause offense) vs offensive."

I disagree wholeheartedly. There is absolutely nothing offensive about EA's commercial. In fact, given my political views, I would argue that the Tebow Commercial is FAR more offensive than the EA Commercial. The point, here, is that both commercials have the potential to offend, but one was allowed to air, and is causing chaos, while the other was rejected, despite the fact that nobody ever once complained about it.

So, basically, you are accusing GP of bias because you feel that the EA commercial is offensive, when, in reality, it is no more offensive than the Tebow Commercial. You are the one with bias, and you are letting that bias cloud your interpretation of this article. Like I said, quit complaining.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

The EA commercial is considered by societal standards to be offensive. As I stated before

"Go up to your non-religious mother and tell her to "go to hell" or better yet grandmother and she if she boxes your ears."

It is considered offensive considering that a large number of people watching the Superbowl are of a more conservative/traditional/older mindset where this in inappropriate, it is considered offensive. I personally don't care that the commercial says "go to hell" however I understand why it was not acceptable. Something that a number of people here cannot seem to grasp.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Actually, in this context, it is not. Yes, in the context you gave, then yes it would be. But in the commercial, this statement is clearly shown after most of the commercial makes it clear the ad is for a videogame. Any person will see the phrase is making a play on words of sorts on the game itself.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Yes it is, "go to hell" is considered  a strong enough statement that it does not have to be directed at someone to be considered offensive.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Fair enough. If you see something that you want to comment on, that's your right to comment. Though, I haven't seen any sort of "passing opinion as fact" thing happening.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

What cheap shots? And who said JT is pro-life or that it even has anything to with the abortion issue. Even if it did, no one has made an association with JT's beliefs and behaviors with the pro-life belief. He just sent the link to the story.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

What's a cheap shot at pro-life folks and how is crediting JT for submitting a story count as dragging him into this?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

We are comparing a controversial advocacy ad to a offensive ad, for no other reason then GP decided somehow that he should ask readers if it is ok for a Player to be on the cover of a video game because he was against abortion.

It is a cheap shot because there was no reason for GP to post the original article, and no reason to tag line it at the end of this one. GP created this comparison and is the cause of JT sending him that article.

JT should be left out of this because what you are doing is making him the face of this issue. Because people like the Gamers vs JT, ignoring the fact that a number of GP readers are conservatives, play games, are religious in some fashion, and are "anti-abortion".

You are one of the people here who knows (especially in Media) it's not always what you say, but how you say it. The bottom line is GP made the news instead of reporting on the news and that is gutter journalism.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

There's a good reason, they canned the Inferno ad because it MIGHT piss people off, yet the pro-life one all ready has and they're keeping it. I see nothing wrong with GP pointing out their double standards.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

As I stated to another poster, One is controversial (which mean some could find it offensive) and one is just plain offensive. Telling someone to "go to hell" is offensive, and its not like they could defend someone telling their audiance to "go to hell".

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

I'm sorry, but that seems to be quite the stretch. No one could seriously consider the ad to be actually telling the viewers to "go to hell". The controversial vs. offensive argument makes sense. And the abortion argument is controversial, not offensive. It's just that I can't see the "go to hell" statement taken literally. That, or the CBS marketing is really paranoid about truly offending people.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Whatever you think of GP's first Tebow article, I still don't see a shot (cheap or otherwise) aimed at pro-lifers.  I also don't see how crediting JT for the tip (as GP does for anyone who sends him stories) even remotely makes him "the face of this issue."

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

He created the story, where there was none. So he is responsible for the outcome of these discussions. The "cheap shot" is the fact that he even brought up the issue when it was unrelated, and now the "anti-abortion"/"pro-life" ad is being compared to that of a Video game. These two issues operate on completely separate realm of importance. It would be the same as comparing a "pro-choice"/"pro-abortion" ad to that of a video game. It is just petty, and if people specifically gamers do not see this, there is a serious problem as they are no better then the people that came before them.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

"He created the story, where there was none."

Tebow did do an ad that allegedly airs his views on abortion.  It did upset some people who are calling on CBS to pull the spot.  EA is rumored to be considering using him for a Madden cover.  GP did not make any of that up.

"So he is responsible for the outcome of these discussions."

GP is absolutely not responsible for what we say or how we say it.

"The "cheap shot" is the fact that he even brought up the issue when it was unrelated..."

It is related.  They're both commercials airing during the Superbowl.  Both have ties to videogames (although one is based on a rumor).  Furthermore, it's interesting to note that CBS censored the ad that (far as I've read) no one expressed an issue with but has not touched the one that some people (silly people who haven't seen the ad) were upset with.  The subject of the ad is inconsequential.

"...and now the "anti-abortion"/"pro-life" ad is being compared to that of a Video game.  These two issues operate on completely separate realm of importance."

Nowhere does this article explicitly or implicitly compare the importance of the issue of abortion with a video game.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

If I recall correctly basing ones stories on rumor, isn't that what tabloid news does? So is GP a tabloid now? As I said GP made the news instead of reporting it, the relation between the two was drawn by GP and as such implicitly compares the importance of the two.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

"As I said GP made the news instead of reporting it..."

And as I said before: "Tebow did do an ad that allegedly airs his views on abortion.  It did upset some people who are calling on CBS to pull the spot.  EA is rumored to be considering using him for a Madden cover.  GP did not make any of that up."  The rumor was sourced and identified as such in the article.  Whether you like it or not, the rumored front runner for the cover of EA's next game being involved in a political controversy that could conceivably affect his inclusion on said cover is newsworthy.

"...the relation between the two was drawn by GP and as such implicitly compares the importance of the two."

What on Earth are you talking about?  Absolutely nowhere is GP comparing the importance of the abortion issue with the importance of a video game.  The only line connecting the two is the fact that there are two Superbowl ads: one has drawn controversy and is being left alone, the other has not drawn controversy and was censored.  As I said earlier, the subjects of the ads are inconsequential.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Maybe if they changed the slogan to Go To Hell... With The People that Support Abortion and shown it after the Tebow ad it would work.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

That would be offensive as you are telling someone to go to hell. Go up to your non-religious mother and tell her to "go to hell" or better yet grandmother and she if she boxes your ears.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

I don't understand what the Tim Tebow ad has to do with gaming, let alone game politics. Can someone enlighten me please?

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

What Kincyr said plus it's a followup to this article:

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/01/28/light-looming-super-bowl-ad-shoul...

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

CBS pulled the original Dante's Inferno ad because they thought that "go to hell" would be controversial. the Tim Tebow ad is even more controversial and gets to stay.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

additional: airing Tim's ad goes against CBS' very own "no advocacy" policy. one of the petitions points out the following:

The broadcast networks that air the Super Bowl have historically rejected advocacy ads. Yet CBS, which is airing the Super Bowl this year, has accepted an anti-choice ad by the ultra-conservative group Focus on the Family.

Focus on the Family's "celebrate life" (read: anti-choice) ad features Heisman Trophy-winning college football star Tim Tebow. And CBS approved this anti-choice ad, even though the network has repeatedly rejected advocacy ads in past years, including a 2004 MoveOn.org ad that went after then-President Bush's fiscal irresponsibility and an ad the same year from the United Church of Christ showing them welcoming a gay couple who had been turned away from another church.

More recently, on Friday CBS rejected an ad from a gay dating site showing two men discovering a mutual attraction when their hands brush in the potato chip bowl. The actors then pantomime a comical make-out session. But CBS says the ad "is not within the Network's broadcast standards for Super Bowl Sunday."

So to recap: CBS wouldn't allow a group to criticize Bush, wouldn't let a religious group promote its own tolerance of LGBT families and considers a light-hearted dating ad out of bounds. But CBS is perfectly happy to allow Focus on the Family to promote its conservative social agenda.

We must call CBS out on its hypocrisy and demand that it also reject the Focus on the Family ad. The Super Bowl is America's annual most-watched television event; more than 98 million Americans tuned in last year. And as anyone who's ever been to a Super Bowl party knows, the ads can be even more closely watched than the game, which is why CBS must not unfairly allow anti-choice commercials while rejecting those for other causes.

 

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

I would take that petition as actually caring about lack of integrity of CBS if it weren't for the fact that they call the commericial "anti-choice". If they had called them "pro-life" or "anti-abortion", I would have taken it as petition against CBS. "Pro-life" is a title created by those who are against abortion that shows that the reasoning for going against abortion is due to believing a fetus is a LIFE. Anti-abortion would work because it's a perfectly neutral title. Giving your own opponent a title such as "anti-choice" appeals to emotion and doesn't give it a fair shot when compared to the title "pro-choice". This is why we either allow both sides to have their titles, or keep it neutral. This whole petition has negative labeling all over it: anti-choice, ultra-conservative, conservative social agenda. And all of their examples of rejected commercials are those that many may consider part of a liberal agenda. They don't mention any ads that could be conservative that were rejected. They don't insist on there not being conservative ads rejected and that all such ads were accepted. I think this petition was made only because their opposition got a commercial. If there was a pro-choice commercial, I'm sure the same complaint would just be made by different people. This specific petition wouldn't even exist.

To summerize, I'm sure many of these groups don't care so much about the integrity of CBS as that a view that they don't believe in is being shown rather than there own.

Addition:On second thought, of course they wouldn't include the "conservative" ads rejected. Even in an abortion-neutral petition, it wouldn't make as much of a point of political bias if they included such examples. So the lack of mention of rejected conservative ads doesn't count as evidence to show a political bias in the petition. But my point as a whole still stands.

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

I think your point is weakened when you consider that it's a two way street. I've driven past plenty of pro-life protests (dead baby posters and all), that call out the pro-choice crowd as baby-killers and murderers. Call me crazy but isn't that slightly more emotional language than anti-choice?

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Oh, of course. The worst of each group will do the same thing. And it discredits both groups. If the ad were pro-choice, those who are pro-life would complain about integrity, when really they don't want opposition being advertised.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

A "Pro-life" ad is totally fine to air, but a video game ad might offend religious sensibilties? And I don't want anyone trying to tell me that wasn't the point behind this. I want EA to pay someone to stand beside "John 3:16" covered in blood and gore with a sign "Rev" and some passage reffernce.

Honestly, just because one group claims to not be motivated by baser emotions and supposed "moral dignity", doesn't mean they can't be offended by slaps in the face.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

a thorn-crown and devil horns with a sign saying "Rev. 22:16" sounds perfect

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

yet another reason I'm not watching the superbowl

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Wait, I just read the end. JT!!! Should I be suspicous of an alterior motive or something?

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

If one day someone comes along and says Jack Thompson was a double agent intended to do all the things he did in order to completely discredit the real anti-video game people, i'll officially shut down my brain.

Or it's just a "see, even big cable companies know games are bad" tactic on his part

Or we're really just being paranoid

...yeah i think it's the 3rd option.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

"Or it's just a "see, even big cable companies know games are bad" tactic on his part"

I'd bet money on this. JT is just gloating that a game ad got rejected.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Hi, Jack did indeed send me the link to the story.

He wished me to add that he [Jack] thinks "that CBS'  objection to the Go to Hell ending is absolutely absurd. There's nothing even remotely offensive about it."

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Wow. In that case, I retract my previous statement, stand confused.

Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

Wait, Jack was PISSED OFF at their objection?

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Re: Dante’s Inferno “Go to Hell” Super Bowl Ad ...

I actually like the newer ad. It isn't half bad.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

 
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ZippyDSMleeAndrew Eisen:Right because shes prefect and never exaggerates... *rolls eyes*08/29/2014 - 12:53pm
SleakerAnd honestly, nearly all of the games she references, or images she depicts I've always cringed at and wondered why they were included in games to begin with, from pinups through explicit sexual depictions or direct abuse. I think it's cheap storytelling.08/29/2014 - 12:35pm
Sleaker@AE - aren't most people fundamentally misunderstanding her at this point? haha.. On a related note I think a lot of the backlash is coming from males that think she is telling them their 'Generic Male Fantasy' is bad and wrong.08/29/2014 - 12:33pm
Andrew EisenAnd no, I don't think the female community would be upset over the performance of a case study in and of itself. Possibly the mostivations behind such a study, the methodology or conclusions but not the mere idea of a case study.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
Andrew EisenAmusingly, these videos aren't saying you can't/shouldn't use tropes or that sexual representations are inherently problematic so those are very silly things to have a problem with and indicate a fundamental misunderstanding of the series.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
SleakerDo you think the female community would get extremely angry over a male doing a case study on the negative impact of sex-novels and their unrealistic depiction of males and how widespread they are in american culture?08/29/2014 - 12:25pm
SleakerThe other thing that people might find problematic is that they see no problem with sexual representations of females (or males) in games. And realistically, why is there anything wrong with sexual representations in fiction?08/29/2014 - 12:24pm
SleakerTo even discuss or bring up these issues at a cultural level to begin with. Going straight for games to many probably feels like a huge overstepping given that it's interactive story in many cases, and when you're telling a story why can't you use tropes.08/29/2014 - 12:21pm
 

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