Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

February 12, 2010 -

The Church of England has issued a call for tighter regulation of videogames.

The Church, which perhaps still has a bad taste in its mouth from the use of Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man, addressed the issue of violent games in a meeting of its general synod on Thursday night.

Following an introduction, in which speakers were cautioned not to mention the names of specific games because “there is a risk of legal proceedings,” Tom Benyon (pictured), a former MP, took the microphone.

Benyon labeled the Byron Report “good in parts,” but said that it “did not go far enough.” He proceeded to read a poem by Oliver Wendell Holmes which he felt “encapsulates the essence of what we are about today in the matter of violent and sexual DVDs.”

God's plan made a hopeful beginning. But man spoiled his chances by sinning. We trust that the story will end in God's glory. But, at present, the other side's winning.

He continued:

A bubbling sewer of gratuitously violent and sexual pornography in DVD games are washing all around us. Byron relied on the proposition that parents have a liability or are interested in controlling what their children do. We think, sadly, that that is optimistic and a prize hope.

Benyon went on to recount the story of a “family member” who “saw one so-called game some years ago and had nightmares. He was a teenager. He was an innocent and he was profoundly shocked. The damage that he suffered was substantial. The images remained with him for months.”

Benyon also had a compilation of violent games on CD that he was going to show, but he decided not to ruin the “evenings or supper” of attendees by showing it.

He added, “I know that the Devil is said to have all the best tunes. Without any question of doubt he has the monopoly of violent and pornographic videogames.”

The Archbishop of York offered analogies to Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King, selecting a quote from the latter, that “law cannot legislate for morals, but it can actually regulate it.” He added, “On this great day of celebrating 20 years since Mandela came out of prison, can we help our young people to come out of the prison of these awful, awful videogames.”

Full audio of the hour-long meeting can be listened to here.


Via The Guardian


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The biggest problem I see here is that all of you who are anti-religion, are a bit misinformed on the subject. Most likely you decided at some point that religion is evil because of some personal reason, maybe you were forced into it, maybe you went to an extremely liberal college and was brainwashed, an so on. But the thing is, there's a huge difference between a Christian, and a Religious person. 
 
Most of you know what a Religious person is, but you can't see what a Christian person is like. The catholic church today really doesn't have anything to do with God. It has always been a Mafia like "family" which in reality, stemmed from the very same people who put Jesus on a cross for healing someone on a "Sabbath". 
 
You see, Religious people would put an innocent man to death for healing someone on the day that no work was allowed. That is called living under the law. They ignored the miracle of a blind man receiving sight, and focused on breaking a law. And that is what Religion is all about, trying to follow a set of impossible rules and try to be good enough. Just look at islam, the largest cult in existence. Its all about rules, and you'll be killed for breaking one. Wanna talk about INTOLERANCE?? Skip Christians please. But the truth is no one can be good enough, because we are imperfect humans. 
 
Christians aren't trying to ban video games, Religious people are. Christians aren't trying to control what you can and can't do, Religious people are. Jesus said that if you love him, you'll keep his commands. No where was it said that you shouldn't play a certain game, or watch a certain movie. His were two commands:1 love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. and 2, Love your neighbor as yourself. 
 
If people were a bit less concerned about all the legalism and the bickering between people about what must be right or wrong, and simply followed these two simple statements, we wouldn't have this kind of hostile and negative views about people and God. As a Christian, its NOT my job to tell anyone that they are going to heaven/hell for something they do or don't do. All I have to do is to be a living example of what God has done in my life, and share that experience with someone who is looking to fill that emptiness in their life, but can't find it in any of the things in this world. 
 

That's it, live by example, and share the experience of God in my life. That's what separates me, from Religion. Now who wants to join me on some Bad Company 2 multiplayer?? ^_^ 

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

I was also wondering, didn't Tanya Byron also said in her paper about how there are always going to be comments based on negative emotion and how they don't really help to solve the problem?

And considering what she said in her paper, about how we should stop thinking of how this new technology is going to harm our kids we should instead focus on trying to understand this new technology better and get to know the positive things from this new technology instead of trying to bash it down all the time?

Perhaps these people have never bothered to read Tanya's full paper all because it did not say anything of what they were wanting to hear.

Chruch of England, my ass, this guy is like Adolf Hitler trying to hide his messages behind the bible to preach hate.

Religion is NOT about preaching hate against youth culture, that is one thing I do know.

TBoneTony

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If these anglican morons get what they want they'll only ask for more until video games are banned completely.

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

And then move on to TV, movies, books...

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Very ironic considering that the bible is one of the most violent and bloody books I've ever read.

 

Ever see passion of the christ guys?

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

since when does the church shy away from extreme violence?

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Well, it's good to see that GamePolitics has once again become a nest of religious/anti-religious trolls. I was worried after the last religion article was almost completely ignored, but it looks like everyone's back to throw ridiculous, uninformed generalizations at each other and intentionally misrepresent everything about their opposition. Welcome back, everyone!

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 generalizations are generalizations because they're generally true.

And when discussing matters that effect many people, it's the general majority that's relevant. 

seems to make sense to me, I don't know where you're having a problem.

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No, generalization are generalizations because they make broad blanket statements with little regards to individual differences or reality. The ones we throw around here are being made by people who know basically nothing about the religion they're arguing about (on both sides, mind you), and they're simply cherry-picking whatever "facts" or stereotypes they want to create a biased depiction of religion.

The problem I have is that we've had this same argument countless times already. They never get anywhere because it's not a discussion; it's a bunch of uninformed people arguing both sides of the issue. Nobody listens to the other side because neither side has any informed, intelligent arguments, and both sides are too convinced that they're right to listen, anyway. Atheists say "the church is teh evils!!!1!" and religious people say "no it's not, your a liar!!1!!!!," and nothing else ever happens. If we could actually sit down with some informed people and have an intelligent discussion that didn't start by generalizing all Christians as gay-hating, gun-toting, uneducated, ultra-conservative fundamentalist morons, we might get somewhere, but we seem incapable of doing that.

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Perhaps it is the way that the news media mostly focuses their attention on the negative comments made by religious people, and the negative comments made by athiest people and everyone else who speaks with a certain amount of logic and reason are rarely ever heard from because what they say may not be what sells the news and largely gets ignored.

I am not sure if I had made a generalization, but that is how I look at it.

Fighting over videogame violence is pretty pointless considering the trouble we seem to have with almost every other topic in our world.

 

TBoneTony

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I'd say that's  pretty fair assessment. "Fairly normal person leads fairly normal life" doesn't make a good headline and doesn't have any interesting sound bites.

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 "it's the general majority that's relevant."

Funny, when did the words of a few people become the words of the general majority?

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Ah, Anglicans. Funny beginnings. They separated from us catholics for funny reasons after all. Let them talk a lot of crap. Now the question is, do they represent the true beliefs of the Church of England? It appears as though they do. Is this hour long statement what we could call "official"?

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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This is nothing more than videogame bashing by someone who will not listen to reason,

Even saying that the Byron Review didn't go far enough, I guess he wanted the Byron review to say that Videogames should be banned or something like that.

Also, I don't believe his story about the teenager getting trumatised, and I also believe that his Violent Videogame Images from his CD is a load of rubbish, trying to say that he did some evidence when in reality he is only preaching his belief.

And worst of all, allot more people are stupid just by hearing from him.

 

TBoneTony

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This is nothing more than videogame bashing by someone who will not listen to reason,

But religion is involved, so that obviously must be at fault no matter what else is going on because religion is the ultimate evil, and anyone who doesn't accept that fact unquestioningly is a brainwashed moron who advocates killing gays and raping young boys! Haven't you ever read a religion article on this website?

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Scriptural violence sanctioned by God can increase aggression, especially in believers.

The authors set out to examine this interaction by conducting experiments with undergraduates at two religiously contrasting universities: Brigham Young University where 99% of students report believing in God and the Bible and Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam where just 50% report believing in God and 27% believe in the bible.

After reporting their religious affiliation and beliefs, the participants read a parable adapted from a relatively obscure passage in the King James Bible describing the brutal torture and murder of a woman, and her husband's subsequent revenge on her attackers. Half of the participants were told that the passage came from the Book of Judges in the Old Testament while the other half were told it was an ancient scroll discovered in an archaeological expedition.

In addition to the scriptural distinction, half of the participants from both the bible and the ancient scroll groups read an adjusted version that included the verse:

"The Lord commanded Israel to take arms against their brothers and chasten them before the LORD."

The participants were then placed in pairs and instructed to compete in a simple reaction task. The winner of the task would be able to "blast" his or her partner with noise up to 105 decibels, about the same volume as a fire alarm. The test measures aggression.

As expected, the Brigham Young students were more aggressive (i.e. louder) with their blasts if they had been told that the passage they had previously read was from the bible rather than a scroll. Likewise, participants were more aggressive if they had read the additional verse that depicts God sanctioning violence.

At the more secular Vrije Universiteit, the results were surprisingly similar. Although Vrije students were less likely to be influenced by the source of the material, they blasted more aggressively when the passage that they read included the sanctioning of the violence by God. This finding held true even for non-believers, though to a lesser extent.

The research sheds light on the possible origins of violent religious fundamentalism and falls in line with theories proposed by scholars of religious terrorism, who hypothesize that exposure to violent scriptures may induce extremists to engage in aggressive actions. "To the extent religious extremists engage in prolonged, selective reading of the scriptures, focusing on violent retribution toward unbelievers instead of the overall message of acceptance and understanding," writes Bushman "one might expect to see increased brutality"

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/media/releases/2007/bushman.cfm

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

Sigh! Correlation does not equal causation! Noise Blast tests are an extremely overtly-broad and vague way of determining aggressive behavior yadda yadda yadda.

P.S. - You'd be suprised that in many cases the difference between the aggressive group and not so aggressive groups are a mere fraction of a second longer and slighlty higher decibel ( ex. 2 or 3 decibels higher) noise blast.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

I'm amazed noone has tackled this choice bit yet.

"Byron relied on the proposition that parents have a liability or are interested in controlling what their children do. We think, sadly, that that is optimistic and a prize hope."

Are you kidding me? That's one of the core tenets of being a parent, being interested in what your kids are doing. Plus, even if parents are fucking up by not caring what their kids are doing it is not the church's duty to take over for them and push political agendas because they don't like what some parents are doing.

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Easy conclusion, either this preacher is not nor ever was a parent, or he is and is just lazy.

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As I've said many times before, people say they don't want the government in their everyday lives yet they want the government to force tighter sanctions on video games when people should be making those decisions for themselves. That's like saying you want it to be hot and cold outside at the same time. People want the goverment making decisions when its convenient for them namely when they're too weak or lazy to tell their own kids no.

"With free speech either all of it is ok or none of it is." Kyle Broflovski

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It's kind of a play on words. They don't want the government to intrudeo n their own lives, but they have absolutely no problem with the government restrictign the lives of people they don't like or making it harder on activities they themsevles don't engage in or that they see as sinful.

Basically it's sort of a "So long a I get what I want screw everyoen else" mentality.

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

The Church never had a problem with Resistance: Fall Of Man as long as it got a substantial share of the profits from it.

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As an Anglican myself, I find this all terribly embarrasing.

Once again, a bunch of old folks working themselves into a tither over youth culture.  Same old story.  Nothing less, nothing more.

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

Yeah, but since they're old folks with religion, it's obviously the religion's fault and not the fact that they're old folks who can't deal with the changes in modern culture.

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 Why can't it be both?

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

I suppose it could be. But if it is both, I still think we need to put more emphasis on the age since youger Christians basically never do this sort of thing (unless they're fundamentalists, and fundies don't count as Christians for these purposes). I think these people are started to feel their age and see everything changing, so they're using whatever method they can to keep things the way they're used to. They just happen to have power in a religious organization, so they're using it to further their own agenda.

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Oh good yet another person who knows nothing about games telling us he knows whats best for us.

*sarcasm* but hey its not like the church ever tried to keep people illiterate, or went on crusades to kill unbelievers, or sold pieces of paper that would absolve people of their sins...

BTW I'm not against religion in general, one of my friends is a pastor, I just really hate extremist idiots like this guy.

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"A bubbling sewer of gratuitously violent and sexual pornography in DVD games are washing all around us."

Good thing the "risk of legal proceedings" prevents you from naming games, huh?

 

Andrew Eisen

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And this is the Church that broke with Rome so the King could screw, marry and kill. as many women as he wanted...(Yeah I know it's most likely an over-simplification, but still.)

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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I don't know what my personal beliefs are. But I do know that I don't want anything to do with a religion that teaches intolerance.

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---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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There's a good few that don't and rather ACTUALLY teahc live and let live and such. Do a little research and see what you find.

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

Christianity is supposed to teach tolerance and acceptance, but it's generally abused to promote hatred and agendas. It depends more on who's using the material than what's actually there.

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I'm not sure there is such a thing.  Once you introduce doctrine about the "proper" way you should live, it becomes just that- doctrine.

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Is it also not abusive to raise children to be terrified of life? 

If you masturbate, you go to hell.

If you have sex for any reason than to reproduce (in wedlock), you go to hell.

If you think "impure thoughts", you go to hell.

If you are gay, you go to hell.

I have known several "good Christians" who were so sheltered in childhood, that they turned out to be naive and helpless adults.  Almost every guy I have ever known who passed 30 in virginity and never having a girlfriend was raised in a Christian home- and they were so weak and timid that girls had no interest. 

 

Seriously, I believe that raising children as devout Christians is a form of child abuse.  Instilling a sense of terror and fear of eternal punishment for being human in a child is WRONG.

Before the Church of England looks to ban/regulate media, perhaps they should look inwards and see what they do to harm children.

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"Seriously, I believe that raising children as devout Christians is a form of child abuse.  Instilling a sense of terror and fear of eternal punishment for being human in a child is WRONG."

Wow. That's quite the assumption you have about those raised as christians. And rather inaccurate as well. You can't just label an entire group based of off of generalizations.You can't base it off of personal experiences either. Especially it it's "almost every". I was raised a christian. I am certainly not sheltered. Watch who you may be insulting when you make generalizations, assumptions, or stereotypes.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

Read more carefully. He says devout Christians. The context of his post indicates that with that he means those raised to take an awful lot of the bible general, only a part of the Christians, not the entire group. Hell, he's against causing children to end up sheltered, if you're not sheltered then by definition his post was not aimed against you. So I really don't get why you take that post as an attack, it's pretty clear he has a problem with fanatics, not the entire population.

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"Read more carefully. He says devout Christians."

That's the problem. "Devout christians" would refer to those who truly try to practice their faith, whatever variation of chrisitanity is. He said they were all sheltered. I know those who are devout and they are not sheltered. I try to follow the tenants of my faith, so I would consider myself devout, more or less. I am certainly not sheltered. So, no, devout does not equal sheltered.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

Way to be picky about it...he probably meant "fundamentalist" more than "devout." You know, the batshit-insane Christians. Just like the batshit-insane Muslims or batshit-insane [insert oppressive faith here].

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

Well, let's hope so. And I'm not being picky. "Devout" and "fundamentalist" mean two very different things. Either he used an entirely wrong word, or he really meant devout.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

I'm going with poor choice of words. Benefit of doubt And all that.

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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 I'd say most of my extended family are very devout Christians and not a single one was raised in sheltered life and on the terror and fear of hell, but in an open and tolerant life based on the love of god and heaven.

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Sometimes it's true. I went to a Catholic grade school, and I remember them being ALL about the standard "God is good, the bible is a literal interpretation" and all that jazz. One of the biggest things I remember was when one of my teachers was telling us to go to church on Sundays, and whenever someone said that their parents couldn't make it, her retort was to say that we were old enough to go on our own.

I also remember the first religion class I took in high school, where the teacher basically outlined the bible being mostly fiction, but don't let that stop the message of "hey, be a nice person" from being important.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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And sometimes it's not. Yes, sheltered people exist. But you can't blame religion. Especially if those who follow the religion are mostly not sheltered anyway. I was raised in a catholic school myself. Yes, we were taught "God is Good". No, not all of the Bible is taken literally. Most, yes. It is a book largly made up of stories we find mostly accurate. Some, no. We find a good amount metaphorical. Your teacher said something I believe is false. There are things we consider, factually, questionable, in the way of exact locations or amounts of time, but not "most" ("most" suggests more than 50%). And even in the face of all you have mentioned, what does that have to do with being sheltered?

 

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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They won't. They'll just keep on going with their own beliefs that they're in the rigt by default amd just stay the course.

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It's kind of hard to root for god when everything fun is labeled the devils work.

And why is it always man's fault? is god really above saying to himself "you know...maybe i screwed up on that one"*

But you keep on preaching church of England, i'll keep on NOT listening and enjoying my current playing of Beyond Good & Evil and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

 

*note: i'm just being facetious here so anyone who takes offense at that can chill out. I'm not religeous but I fully respect those who are...except my cousin because she has the debating skills of a fence post and running rings around her with why the idea of god is a flawed thought is just too much fun...yes i'm terrible i know.

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I'm fairly certain their god would love the idea behind the Doom series, but these people don't, so they say he himself hates it so they can justify their own hatred as some kind of higher calling.

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Must we?  Must we REALLY go there?

I REALLY need to write that book.  Then I can just say "Look at page(s) so-n-so for my response".  Would make things so much easier.

Photoshopper project:  Have these people standing inside a glass church, holding rocks at the ready to throw at people outside.

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Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

Perhaps people who live inside glass houses and churches should not be throwing stones at people outside those glass houses and churches.

I think I got that image in my mind right?

Because when they decide to throw stones from the inside, they end up hitting the walls of their church and when it crashes down they try to blame everyone else for their problems.

 

TBoneTony

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So someone who enjoys "violent and sexual DVDs" is therefore on the "other side"?

The other side of whom? And there are only bad persons?

I consider myself a Christian too, and I wouldn't want to be represented that way - by people who obviously think I'm evil just when I want to confront myself with things they maybe don't want to be confronted with, dark topics and so forth

Why do they not want to be confronted with violence or sexuality? What are they afraid of? The human condition? But they are human!

I really cannot understand this. And such things threaten my inner self. What politics are this?

 

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Re: Violent Games Assailed by Church of England

They're afraid of change and being inferior in a changing society. Religion has little to do with it; it's really about power.

 
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