PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

February 24, 2010 -

The latest threat to the world is the recent explosion of satanic-themed videogames, which serve up God and Christianity as targets.

An article in the Philadelphia paper The Bulletin decries the rise of such games under the headline Buyer Beware: Satanic-Themed Video Games Concern Parents. The article hinges mostly on the opinion of one “avid gamer,” a 32-year old (coincidentally) named Lance Christian, who states that this “problem” has “been going on for the last 10 years,” but has come to light even more recently, “especially in the most recent games.”

Christian states:

I feel that the devil has a new tool to work with in this age of technology, and the majority of adults in a position of responsibility are left in the dark.

Christian offered a list of recent offending games, complete with descriptions:

  • Tecmo’s Deception: Invitation To Darkness–Players “make an unholy pact and sell their soul to Satan in exchange for power” with the object of the game being to ensure the resurrection of Satan and obtain his power.

  • Nocturne—A game in which the hero (a demon) destroys the three Archangels St. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, then goes on to destroy God.

  • Shadow Hearts—The hero uses his power to intercept and destroy God and “save the world.”

  • Dragon’s Age Origins—The game revolves around the story of God going mad and cursing the world. A witch attacks believers and players can “have sex” with her in a pagan act called “blood magic” so she can “give birth to a god.” Another scenario allows players to have sex with a demon in exchange for a boy’s soul.

Other offenders include Dante’s Inferno, Guitar Hero, Devil Summoner, Koudelka, Trapt, Bayonetta, and Darksiders.

The article also offers that:

Game publishers are cashing in on the satanic, anti-Catholic and the general anti-religion content themes and using them as a draw for buyers.


Comments

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

As a Catholic, I think this is just a rant.  It's rubbish. Whether you're a believer in religion or not, part of life is distinguishing fantasy and fiction from what's real or important. Now I understand that non-believers will make that same accusation of us Christians and the like, but at least give us the credit that we know how to make a finer distinction, as in this case.

I only have Dragon Age: Origins, so I can only speak about that.

First, I agree with the Maker of DA:O being a reference with the God of the Old Testament.  But he wasn't crazy in DA:O, but reacting to a rebellion of his creations, a revolt against an order or harmony that he put in the first place.

Second, I also agree with the guys saying Lance Christian would probably look down on the C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia and the like, especially with its own reference to pagan mythology and folklore.  There's really a lot there that's honestly meant to be representations of wonder and the imagination that would rile any fundamentalist's sensibilities, nevermind that Lewis was also a Christian.  You could even say the same of Lord of the Rings, as J.R.R. Tolkien's work is actually quite dark and doesn't even mention a God of any sort (you'd have to read the Silmarillion for that).

Lance shouldn't just stop there.  He should go so far as enter not just Dante's Inferno but also John Milton's Paradise Lost.  As an epic poem that keeps the Christian tradition intact, it's long been noted that Milton painted the Devil as a more sympathetic character than God.

As a fantasy reader and fan, I have to point out that most fantasy is modeled after a medieval world filled with knights and kings and dragons and quests.  This setting includes the Christian religion in churches, cathedrals, priests, bishops, etc.  Lance Christian should realize that the creation of most high fantasy settings, whether with an intentional inclusion or exclusion of a Christian religion, whether accurate and similar or distant and transformed, is only natural as far as imagining, designing and setting up that world is concerned.  I think most fundamentalists see these elements being used and immediately assumed it's a corruption of their beliefs, whether or not it is actually so.

Lastly, where there's a choice to take up Morrigan's offer in DA:O, he neglects the fact that it is a CHOICE. The player decides whether to follow through with it or do something else.  To be offended by being offered such an option is ignoring the fact that we, whether believe or non-believer, all have to make choices between right and wrong, good and evil everyday.  It's there.  Live with it.  Obviously, don't do something you think is wrong.  No need to go off like that because it doesn't help.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

"Game publishers are cashing in on the satanic, anti-Catholic and the general anti-religion content themes and using them as a draw for buyers."

OR... It's simply awesome fiction to base entertainment on. Movies, comics and books have been using religion and the supernatural for decades before games came along. The fact that Darksiders gets an honorable mention is hilarious considering it has done its best not to specifically name a religion and uses lore and characters from more than one to create its own story.

There are more offensive band-wagons out there which people are jumping on. Try shitty movies based on 80s cartoons or rappers/techno "artists" blatantly stealing retro melodies just so their butt-rubbish is instantly recognised.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games


 I wonder what think of this movie, Legion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_(2010_film)

 

Let see that movie had angel portray as devil-like monster.  So according to his logic, this movie would be considered a work of Satan.

 

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

"Expelled was a dishonest hack job"

Eh, maybe it was.  Maybe the people in film overstated things to make their point.  Maybe the people who run the website you linked are doing the same thing. (I found one misrepresentation on that site straight away, but I will not say that that invalidates it altogether.)  It's hard to say in an age where truth takes a backseat to wining the argument at all costs.

Even if every single one of them is a liar, I can't help but think that the statements in the film of the evolutionists themselves are telling.  I used to have a great deal of respect for Richard Dawkins, but after recently hearing statements he has made and seeing his blathering in that film, that respect is gone.

 

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Athiest here:

I dislike Dawkins. His whole desire to have more militant athiests I think is counter productive. The last thing any religious argument needs is more intractability from either side. So please do not hold Dawkins up as the athiests savior. I think he can be a down right douchebag when he wants to be.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Catholic here:

I really don't think that "militant" is an appropriate name for people like him. Militant implies extremist. He isn't an extremist. He isn't killing anyone. He's just a d-bag. There needs to be a name for atheist d-bags. For religion, it's usually fundamentalists. You are right though. We need less d-bags on when discussing beliefs on anything and on both sides of anything.

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

WTF? Those title are good wholesome entertainment in my book. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I have never heard of the first 3 games, but damn, now I want to play them!

  • Tecmo’s Deception: Invitation To Darkness–Players “make an unholy pact and sell their soul to Satan in exchange for power” with the object of the game being to ensure the resurrection of Satan and obtain his power.
  • Nocturne—A game in which the hero (a demon) destroys the three Archangels St. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, then goes on to destroy God.

  • Shadow Hearts—The hero uses his power to intercept and destroy God and “save the world.”

Tecmo's Deception: Holy crap, sounds like the Christmas Critters episode of South Park. Sounds awesome.

Nocturne: I'm a demon, and I kill angels. Again, sounds awesome.

Shadow Hearts: Destroy God to "save the world"? Sounds like that new movie called "Legion." Sounds just as cool.

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Deception actually had a few games in the series.  The idea was to set traps and kill intruders before they could either get away or cut you to little pieces.  The first one, as near as I can tell, was the only one that involved the devil in any way.

Fun games, though, as you could find all kinds of ways to combo your enemies to death with your traps.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Thank God for the First Amendment that this guy can say what he thinks right along with the rest of us. And Thank God that you have the free will to decide whether he has a point or not.

Multitudes of Christians would love to have an engaging video game to call their own. The problem is that it's very tough to make a game when, by definition, your hero is unbeatable. The same thing that makes Superman games suck makes God games suck. A Christian lifestyle is pacifistic while video games need to be action oriented.

There used to be a song called "Why Should The Devil Have All The Good Music?" He's got all the movies and video games, too. Deal with it. While I think Christians deserve to have as much fun as the next guy, and that includes my hobby of choice, the video game, I think that when it comes down to righting the world's wrongs, there have to be three MILLION choices more pressing than video games.

If you want to do good works for God, go work in a soup kitchen. Are you going to report upon your demise, "I really let those video game people have it, God!" God's gonna say, "So what?"

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

And here we go again with all the Christian bashing.  I really, really hope you Angry Athiest types never, ever, go to www.carm.org

And while you are not at, please do not, under any circumstances, watch the documentary "Expelled".  The meltdown Richard Dawkins has at the end is priceless...

 

Your Yak is Weak!

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Expelled was a dishonest hack job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3QHsUS3Lp4

Also try http://www.expelledexposed.com/

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I'm pretty sure that's not how blood magic works in Dragon Age.

But on topic, while there is a valid point here, the author piece comes across as a rant, and there is quite a lot wrong with the research and citations. For each game listed, a correct portion of the game that supports your argument must be cited.

And for the people harping on The Divine Comedy, keep in mind that it is a political allegory with no real basis in biblical scripture.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

 Hahaha religious people are fucking hilarious. And they want us to take them seriously. So much like children!

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

It sounds like another EA marketing ploy.

Notice at the end he just lists satanic themes. Yes dante's inferno undoubtedly has a satanic theme, however they protray Satan and Hell as evil and bad, so why complain?

Also one of his games is for the original playstation. If you have to go back that far to get examples I don't think it's much of a problem.

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Besides, you can't beat the classics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgQJjC9vOo

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I chuckled.  And this is why people have such a hard time giving religious people the benefit of the doubt on this site.

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I'm genuinely surprised he didn't include Disgaea.

***Spoilers ahead!***

 

Since you play as the overlord's (the leader of the netherworld) son, trying to become overlord himself. In the course of the game it is said that demons can be good and angels can be evil. Not to mention that you end up invading heaven and, at least in one ending, killing the seraph.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Three hours after I created an account on the website and posted a scathing but non beligerant comment, and they have yet to post ANY comments at all.  I always hate sites that "review" reader comments for inappropriate content.  I can never tell if they're just slow, or deliberately cencoring any posts that are negative towards the journalist or their publication.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

You should note that the "About" section on the site talks about how they don't sensationalize things.


Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I find it pretty funny they have Nocturne and Devil Summoner and yet they don't have any of the Persona games, which fall under the same SMT banner. While you're not fighting demons, I would imagine that they're just as blasphemous as you can summon Satan to fight enemies. Granted it's not the actual Satan and more of personafication of him but still.

Although I guess they'd be more guilty of encouraging premarital sex than anything...

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

How could he leave out the grandfather of all "Satanic games" Doom? Haha I remember people were flipping out over that game with all the pentagrams and upside down crosses. XD

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

This guy needs to get over himself. There's nithing wrong with using christan mythos as source of fiction

Also Gutair Hero should not have been on his list in the first place

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Guitar Hero 3 has you battle, and potentially lose to, the Devil!  Remember the stink Charlie Daniels made about that?

www.joystiq.com/2008/04/08/charlie-daniels-upset-that-devil-went-down-to-georgia-in-guita/

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

The funny thing is people like him always try to turn and twist the lyrics of bands in order to try to work some sort of Satanic meaning out of them.  And while they are doing so they completely and outright seem to ignore the bands that straight out admit to being Satanic.  And I'm pretty sure none of those groups are in any Guitar Hero game.  Most of those are pretty much semi-underground Death Metal groups.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Not to mention the allegations that playing the record backward was either satanic or telling you to kill yourself.

For one thing, these people hear that as that's what they're looking for. ANY evidence, no matter how small that they're right.

And it begs the question, why? Why would a big name or even underground band whose source of income is they fanbase, want their fans to die? I know Iron Maiden joked that if they could do sucha thing they'd be telling their fans to buy more merchandise, not off themselves.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

The guy's living in the 50s when ALL rock music was devil rock.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Damn it, Mr. Christian!!! Shut the hell up before you give all of us other christians a bad rep we don't deserve or portray beliefs that we don't have onto us!!! Seriously, it's this crap that pisses me off!!! Which then leads to people bashing religion for the acts of a few that then get me more pissed off!!!

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

And that's a pretty awesome and total mischaracterization of the actions of DA:O's god-figure, the Maker, while we're at it. The Maker doesn't go mad and curse the world. The Maker is massively affronted when the eldest of his creations -- the first sentient dragons -- declare themselves gods and set themselves up to be worshipped in his stead. He casts them down, curses them, imprisons them below the Earth, and punishes humanity for being weak enough to turn away from him. Humanity learns magic from the imprisoned dragons, now calling them the Old Gods, and invade heaven in an effort to claim the power the Maker for themselves, affronting the Maker a second time and bringing a second round of punishment down on humanity in the form of the darkspawn and the Blight. Then a prophet appears to lead humanity in rejecting the power of magic to rule human destiny and return the worship of the Maker to its proper place as the sole true religion. She is betrayed and murdered but the church she founds -- the Chant of Light, or the Chantry in the vernacular -- spreads across the world, asserting the doctrine that humanity needs to abase itself properly before the Maker and beg forgiveness for the collective sins of generations past in order to regain his favor. The Maker has thus far displayed himself rather disinclined to forgive humanity no matter how hard they grovel.

In short, the religion of DA:O is pretty much a thematic point-by-point comparison to monotheistic Christianity, right down to the Maker being a pissed off, petty, unforgiving Old Testament style douche-god.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Hey Mr. Christian, which "god" is the "one true god" again? Oh right, YOURS.

Why do religious people have such a hard time separating fantasy from reality? It boggles the mind.

 

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I came here expecting the usual shrieks of rage whenever somebody points out the obvious, and I wasn't disappointed.  There's even a smarmy atheist with a "mythology" comment right at the top.

Oh, Gamepolitics readers, don't ever change.  

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Well technically, in Academic study, the term "mythology" is not meant to mean that the stories they are talking about are false. though i say technically in that sometimes people DO intend to insult with such comments.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

 Here, though, the person was pretty clearly using it as a pejorative, not in an academic sense.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Not too sure about the "smarmy" part, but mythology is mythology.  Pretty much every religion ever has a mythology, and Christianity is no different. 

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Ah, but if you call it mythology, then you inadvertantly admit that it's "myth."  So they create a new word for it.  Theology.  See, if you tell a fantastic story that's supernatural and impossible to prove, what it's called depends on your perspective.  If it's YOUR religion, then you call it theology.  If it's someone else's (or a dead religion), then you get to call it mythology as a way of putting it down.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I call it ALL mythology unless it has significant evidence to back it up.

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Christianity was a successful sect, that's all...

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

That much is true, all religions have their own myths and legends.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Yeah, I get tired of know-it-all atheists too.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Suprised he doesn't note Mara (giant penis) on his MegaTen attacks.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Um, yeah.  So Dragon Age doesn't take place on this Earth in this universe.  So the Maker is a god but not God, so I fail to see the relevance.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

It's a pretty obvious analogy though. You have the religion that most people in Ferelden go by, then you have the different splinter groups that have a different interpretation of the Chant. Then there's the backstory about the two different Chantries (like the Great Schism). And also, the Chantry spread's the Maker's teachings throughout the world thinking that the Maker would return if they did, and some characters in the game questioned that as just an excuse to proselytize. To be fair, the part about Dragon Age (the Maker being an analogy for the Abrahamic God) was pretty accurate.

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

I'm fighting off some insomnia right now so I may post a more content filled reply later.  For the moment my response is: Horseshoes and hand grenades.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Don't you mean THE HOLY HAND GRENADE OF ANTIOCH!!!!!!!!      ======>>>>>>          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk  <<<<<========

 

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Not really, but it is the name of a kick-ass Green Day song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jCTus55Yb0

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Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Oh, intresting to note that he refers to the arch-angels as saints and notes Raphael among their ranks. That indicates this nut is a Catholic.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

But is his stance and beliefs shown here the beliefs of the catholic church? No.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

..... if I remember right, the Doom series and Dante's Inferno both mention these religious figures, but in both cases you're fighting AGAINST the forces of hell. If it was as this guy claims, in Doom you'd be slaughtering humans instead fo demons.

And most other games make no mention of religion at all.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Hey! At last someone notes Megaten in their satanic games thing. Funny how they don't mention that Naoki also joins Lucifer in one ending (though I don't fault anyone for having difficulty getting that ending).

And you don't have to kill the archangels. You can also side with the bat shit insane chick.

Re: PSA: Beware the Proliferation of Satanic-Themed Games

Can someone PLEASE explain to me this Christian belief that pieces of media, etc can actually be created as a tool of the devil? 

1) Are they saying that Satan is actually actively involved in the creation of said things? 

2) If so, is he posessing the bodies/minds of the people who make them?  For instance, would the director or lead programmer of Bayonetta be posessed by Satan? 

3) Are the people behind these games/media considered to be "servants" of the devil?

4) Exactly how is playing a game with these offensive themes helping the devils cause?

5) Doesn't blaming the devil for everything "bad" or "offensive" in the world take away responsibility form the people who are perpetrating them?

 
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