More on Games Contributing to the Sexualization of Girls

March 3, 2010 -

A review penned by Dr. Linda Papadopoulos into the Sexualization of Young People, which was alluded to last week on GP, has been released and videogames play a prominent role in it.

The review (PDF) was done at the request of the UK’s Home Office and is part of a government strategy to address violence against females. In a foreword, Papadopoulos writes that the document is “not an opinion piece,” but one constructed from “empirical data from peer reviewed journals.”

In her Executive Summary, the doctor notes that “games are becoming increasingly graphic and realistic,” and that children are “more and more likely to play games without adult supervision.” She also adds that a link between violent content and aggression has been cited in “several studies,” and that it is “widely accepted that exposure to content that children are either emotionally or cognitively not mature enough for can have a negative impact.”

Under section five of the report, entitled Sexualized Content and the Mainstreaming of Pornography, Papadopoulos notes that “High street stores sell video games where the player can beat up prostitutes with bats and steal from them in order to facilitate game progression,” leading to the following “clear” message to girls that this type of media portrays, as interpreted by the doctor, “... young girls should do whatever it takes to be desired. For boys the message is just as clear: be hyper-masculine and relate to girls as objects.”

A few other videogame references from the review:

Violence against women is often trivialised. For example, in the game Rape-Lay…

Many popular video games effectively reward children for engaging in violent, illegal activity, albeit virtually…

Nevertheless, it is imperative that we acknowledge the very real possibility that, say, pornography that shows girls talking with relish about pre-teen sexual exploits, or highly realistic video games where players take on the role of stalker and rapist might start to blur the boundaries between what is acceptable and what is not. [Ed. does that sound like empirical data?]

Among her sweeping recommendations, Papadopoulos recommends that game consoles be shipped with parental controls pre-activated and that:

Games consoles are sold with a separate ‘unlocking’ code, which purchasers can choose to input if they wish to use or allow access of the console to adult and online content.


GP: Papadopoulos' bio notes that she has made appearances on the TV series Big Brother, which as our resident curmudgeon DarkSaber was quick to point out, is not known for serving up content that is exactly empowering for any form of life, including females. There is no mention of (nor blame placed on) Big Brother in her report. Indeed, videogames are more of a focus of her review than television.


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In her Executive Summary, the doctor notes that “games are becoming increasingly graphic and realistic,” and that children are “more and more likely to play games without adult supervision.”

I want to say about this that children already play games w/out adult supervision. She is some years behind the times nowadays.

Under section five of the report, entitled Sexualized Content and the Mainstreaming of Pornography, Papadopoulos notes that “High street stores sell video games where the player can beat up prostitutes with bats and steal from them in order to facilitate game progression,” leading to the following “clear” message to girls that this type of media portrays, as interpreted by the doctor, “... young girls should do whatever it takes to be desired. For boys the message is just as clear: be hyper-masculine and relate to girls as objects.”

Her two lines of her theory don't make sense. B/c in the first line she talks about how street stores sell video games that are basically violent & then in another sentence she says that girls should do whatever it takes to be desired. But yet I don't see a link to those two sentences at all. Is there even a word for hyper-masculine? Never heard that one. But guys sometimes are objects to girls. Nothing new either.

Nevertheless, it is imperative that we acknowledge the very real possibility that, say, pornography that shows girls talking with relish about pre-teen sexual exploits, or highly realistic video games where players take on the role of stalker and rapist might start to blur the boundaries between what is acceptable and what is not. [Ed. does that sound like empirical data?]

When she says "blur the boundaries between what is acceptable and what isn't, that is true in real life. If people including children that don't know the diff. between real life and games then they have a problem and need help. NOT the game(s) being taken away or to that extent. For punishment yes it would be taken away.

Among her sweeping recommendations, Papadopoulos recommends that game consoles be shipped with parental controls pre-activated and that:

Games consoles are sold with a separate ‘unlocking’ code, which purchasers can choose to input if they wish to use or allow access of the console to adult and online content.

She is obviously retarded in the fact that if the parent is NOT around then the child/teen will play the game w/out parental controls. If the parent is around, then the parent will decide to use parental controls or not along w/online access or not.

Everyone cannot be pleased. I'm so glad that not many people are like her or others like her.

 

 

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It's so FUNNY when silly women try to say they're being sexualize. 

It's just so SILLY! I mean, the woman cited GTA and Rapelay, two of the most obvious games to use. How dumb is that? Using obvious references everyone knows about. God what a cunt, right?

I mean, you, as men, clearly don't see a problem with the way women are represented. Which means those silly girl gamers hoping to be represented should all just shut up. Games are just games after all, and don't represent real life or relate to it. Why else would the military use them for recruitment? Silly silly women. 

It's just so obviously stupid to say such a thing. Women are sexualized in games. Psh. We sexualize them in magazines marketed at them, why not do it in games too? The other industries do, we should too. Sex sells, who cares how it makes women view themselves. 

Silly women, wanting equal representation in games they buy. Obviously since men don't see a problem, there is none. Just because women say "I see a problem here, as a woman, with the way women are being portrayed." Doesn't mean there is one, not if men don't see it too! And hey, if one or two women say it's okay the way women are treated, problem fucking solved. because any woman represents all of them.... as long as that woman agrees with the majority of the readers on the site...

who are men.

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I'll consider it a problem when women's magazines stop printing stupid crap like "10 ways to please your man" and "10 ways to make yourself more attractive", as if those were actual need-to-know nuggets of information.

Maybe I'll take it seriously when enough people start pitching a fit over Indiana Jones being a man's man.

Face the facts- most movies and games wouldn't garner any attention if there wasn't something visually appealing about the protagonists or antagonists. Do you think women would pick up Vogue or Cosmo if they weren't trying to appeal to the sexualization of women THROUGH women?

Sex sells- gender isn't a boundary, nor a side to blame.

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I find two things disturbing in video games, regarding sexualism:

1) I find it offensive when developers add muscular, adonis-looking males with supernatural athletic prowess.

2) I find it offensive when developers add slim, wimpy looking bishonen with glinty eyes, unblemished skin and anime-style-like flowing hair.

Both types of characters appeal to the "ideal" sexually attractive male in women's eyes. :P I also find it offensive that nobody takes notice or raises a fuss when a dude or a mexican is offed with a baseball bat in a video game.

There has to be some sort of "fill-in-the-blanks" paper out there that streamlines this kind of writing...

 

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Taking a random assortment of games, most people would infer the following things (among others) about women:

1) Women are more often than not in need of being rescued and/or protected.

2) Women's breasts often defy gravity, and occasionally newtonian mechanics.

3) Sometimes women can kick serious ass.  Often with guns, various martial arts weapons, or, rarely, with their hair.

 

Taking a random assortment of "Womens" magazines, most people would infer the following:

1) "Pleasing your man" is of paramount concern to women.

2) Women need to lose weight, especially during the summer when they are expected to wear bikinis.

3) Showing off cleavage is the best way to sell something.

 

So... which one sexualizes and objectifies women more?

 

Your results may vary.

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*sighs* they're never going to let that rape-lay thing die, are they?

I'd bet $100 they couldn't name another example. 

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I assume you mean "and GTA doesnt count" since that's probably the only game they could come up with, unless they start digging in the dollarbin at an H-Game store or on a flash-game site. I wonder if she would claim that "Robot Unicorn Attack" is mocking homosexuals... (why is that game so awesome?)

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I think the quote about every one being stupider for hearing her applies. I could feel my IQ dropping as I read her words.

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“High street stores sell video games where the player can beat up prostitutes with bats and steal from them in order to facilitate game progression,” leading to the following “clear” message to girls that this type of media portrays, as interpreted by the doctor, “... young girls should do whatever it takes to be desired."

Ok, so...  Beating up hookers with baseball bats sends the message to girls that they need to be attractive?  How?  If anything, it sends the message that if you are attractive, someone will beat you with a baseball bat and steal your money.  This woman is just spouting whatever random "bad" things she can think of about video games and then making her assertions, when there is no logical connection between the two.  Of course, this is the same rocket scientist who was aghast at the thought that desirability might be based on whether or not you are desired.

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The depressing things I've noted here are:

- She's citing herself as a doctor performing professional research. I only took one class of research methods at university but it was evident from the start that you had to back up your assertions, cite references and, as much as possible, act from a generally neutral outlook.

- The "Beat up hookers and get rewarded" idea (which remains trivially absurd and untrue) still exists. I remember Richard and Judy stating it as fact on GMTV years ago, back at the time of media sensationalism over Vice City if I recall correctly. The only good part of it is that it's a giant "I AM STUPID" sign to show which idiots haven't researched or even played, the games they're criticising.

- As GP put it:
GP: Papadopoulos' bio notes that she has made appearances on the TV series Big Brother, which as our resident curmudgeon DarkSaber was quick to point out, is not known for serving up content that is exactly empowering for any form of life, including females. There is no mention of (nor blame placed on) Big Brother in her report. Indeed, videogames are more of a focus of her review than television.

Big Brother - brilliant work, Doc! If we apply your argument that involves generalising a whole medium then we can say that BB portrays women as fame-seeking, attention whores who do anything to get onto TV and who ALL do perverse sexual acts with glass objects (Adults can look up 'Kinga' to find out what she did on her first night). And you appear on this show, doc? Is that what you want all young girls to do? You're sick!

*Sigh.* I know I'm preaching to the converted, but this is beyond ridiculous now.

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GTA does contain the ability to beat up (and kill) them. Technically you do get rewarded as you get your money back after a health boost.

But again we get into the areas of technicality to make it appear that the content doesn't exist. Perhaps I should point out that Richard and Judy never said anything about the game on GMTV because they don't present or appear on GMTV, but they probably did do an article on the game on either This Morning on The Richard and Judy show.

I find it pointless to argue over such minor details as they got most of the details correct. We can't pretend that the content doesn't exist just because they didn't explain quite correctly enough, we need to use other arguments.

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Putting aside the stupid example used to generalize the gaming industry, how about the countless teen magazines that make up 1/3 of the magazine stand at any grocery store?

All they do is teach young girls about sex, makeup, fantasizing about boys in makeup and the need to own everything that is new and expensive (Shoes, phones, clothes, accessories..)

And repeating a previous post, one word: Mtv.

WHATEVER!

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Useing the trem girl for woman,women and females pretty much removes anything valid you have to say much less anything unvalid.....


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I think the key phrase here is that games are becoming more realistic.  What is happening is that games are so much more popular and the popularity brings them up in the ranks of influential media.  That being said, the realism is highlighting what already exist with in society.  

Violence to young girls is certainly not new by any stretch of human history time frame.  That doesn't mean it should be ignored but I think one needs to look at the issue from a more realistic perspective rather than jumping on the video games as social scapegoat band wagon.

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But I find it incredibly unlikely that video games cause ANY violence to girls, except in people that were already a psychological time bomb to begin with.

The author is implying that a) young girls play GTA, etc (which is complete bull), and that b) young boys play GTA, etc (which is mostly bull, but doesn't change it anyways, because GTA features far more men-on-men violence than men-on-women violence).

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wow, more talk about a half-assed game from someone who will never have the opportunity to obtain a legal copy while neglecting to mention that both endings involve the rapist getting killed in karmic justice.

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Hah, i knew it! I just knew the game had to end with the rapist getting punishment for his deeds. That means that the game isnt trivializing rape or women, its portraying it from the a very involved angle and giving it a bad result for the rapist, therefor making it something bad in and of itself, as it should be. Honestly, saying that game is about rape and rape alone is like saying the same thing for Law and Order: SVU. And that uses real people, too!

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The point of Rapelay is to produce images of rape to masturbate over. It's not trying to be a deep study of the life of a rapist.

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Rapelay again...

If games are a contributing factor to the sexualization of girls (which is probably true, but not as bad as other forms of media, like fashion and teen magazines), and encourages violence against women, they're going to need to use more examples than an unrated import from Japan that's not even localized.  You need REAL games for examples, games that have gone through the ESRB or other ratings systems, games that the average person is likely to to find easily and play.

Seriously, can anyone come up with a MAINSTREAM video game that encourages violence against women, moreso than against the men in the same game?

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"Violence against women is often trivialised. For example, in the game Rape-Lay…"

 

I'm taking a statistics class. In stats, a game like Rape Lay would be what we would call an "outlier". It lies so far outside of the normal grouping that it is rejected as being representative of the sample. And yet, she says OFTEN trivalized.

 

And if violence against women is an issue, let's hope she never considers the violence against MEN that happen in these things. Whoa.

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The belief that games consoles should come with parental locks turned on out of the box reinforces the belief that games are first and foremost for children.

Even when you think that hardware makers do enough with the addition of parental locks, it's never enough for some.

Do DVD players come with parental locks turned on out of the box? Surely an adult has to purchase these games first before the child can play the games?

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"Surely an adult has to purchase these games first before the child can play the games?"

Especially here in the UK with a legally enforced ratings system. A system in which game retailers consistently score better than other retailers in undercover stings by the BBFC (or whoever is responsible for enforcement and fines) regarding under-age sales of age-restricted media.

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Nothing like a bit of confirmation bias.

How is it videogames? Let's look at the other industries, shall we? She's ignoring the film industry, the entirety of television, the modeling industry (which takes a part in all clothing industries and in multiple magazine companies), and porn industry. And yet, the gaming industry is to blame primarily? Games like rapelay or games where rapist are not sold on shelves anyway. Yeah, you can beat up prostitutes in GTA games. You can beat up anyone. Funny, she's not complaining about males being beat up, which tends to happen more often.

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This quack is targeting video games because she knows they're an easy target. If she targeted most of the other industries you mentioned they would come down hard on her ass.

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I guess she doesn't turn on the tv much these days.

One word:

MTV

 

Need I say more?

 

Oh wait....

MTV2

 

 

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Music Television. Ironic channel name.

SHTV would make more sense.

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Jesus Christ. They need to teach people how to make a decent argument against something in school. You can't take the worst examples of something and abstract it to a general blanket statement. It's an illogical way to form an argument. Also, I would like to see which game progresses when you beat up the prostitutes because it sure as hell isn't GTA, no matter what the media might say. Talk about complaining about games you don't play.

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Again, Rapelay is the better and only example this people could find. How can this people sleep at night?

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“High street stores sell video games where the player can beat up prostitutes with bats and steal from them in order to facilitate game progression,”

Name me one game that does that? Not even GTA does that. It's true you can beat prostitutes, but it does nothing to game progression.

Also, bringing up Rape-Lay? That is a Japan only thing. It's like saying that religious nut that killed his family for god represents all of Christianity.

If you think about it, you don't harm women in video games that often. It's usually the generic male thug or aliens. I hate the whole violence against women argument in video games. Its like it's ok for men to get hurt. But if a woman get hurt, even if it's no worse than the harm perform on men, all hell breaks loose. Name me one mainstream game in the English speaking world that you could sexual abuse women.

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In Heavy Rain, there is a scene where you are a women that is being forced to strip at gun-point, and in a different scene is attacked by masked men in her home. The former scene, however, quickly turns to her favor, when she catches him off guard and then ties him up and sexually abuses HIM for information.

/spoiler

I'm in the same camp as all of you, lol, but that scene somewhat fits the "sexual abuse" category, albeit in an amazing fashion.

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Oh come on, how specific about GTA do they need to be? GTA does contain the ability to kill (although the report only said beat-up) prostitutes, does it really matter if they were technically wrong about it being needed for progression? They got the jist right. These aren't the same wild claims I've heard about GTA in the past. I think only gamers are bothered about those small details.

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There's an important distinction between "for game progression" meaning the game FORCES you to, and the game merely having it as an option that isn't even brought to your attention.

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Linda Papadopoulos?  I'd thrash her from top-to-bottomus.

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Let me guess, she can't get laid and blames it on the images video games portray.

 

And using Rapelay as an example? You can't get that outside of Japan anymore and you can only torrent it now.

Let me guess, she's perfectly fine with romance novels and adult women's magazines, which quite honestly had given me a poor self image for a long time, but I guess me being male she expects me to tough it out.

Get lost lady.

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This is getting annoying

RapeLay is such an irrevelant game that it is mindshocking you cant buy it outside of Japan only by torrneting so please un less this about Japan Shut the -blam- up about it

 

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Soooooo, lets talk about those soap operas ladies.... or possibly the covers and content of those harlequin romance novels.

This lady is a hypocrite. Each gender oversexualizes the other. It's human nature to fantacize about what turns you on. Just because we guys are more industrious about our sex fantasy and actually make games about it does not entitle you to snipe from the cheap seats when you know you ladies do the very same thing just in a different medium.

Please Dr. Linda Papadopoulos, go have an orgasm STAT! You're overdue!

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"Violence against women is often trivialised. For example, in the game Rape-Lay…"

She's using Rape-Lay as an example of something that happens "often" in video games? Seriously?

I guess I can see her point, if by "often" she actually means "quite rarely, in fact, but I'll just write down 'often' since it supports my position".

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 Indeed... first thing i would ask her would be "if it happens often then you should have no trouble naming 10 games that trivialize women"... really i think she'll have trouble getting past 2

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But she said it's not her opinion but a fact supported by "empirical data". It MUST be true!

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Given that DoA Paradise is coming, I guess I can't disagree too much with her about sexualization.

As have been said, Rapelay is not a good example to use in arguments, as it's not popular and the vast majority agrees it's tasteless.

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The problem here is that you take one or two games and act like they're indicative of the entire industry.  You bring up DOA, and yes, there's a lot of sexualization in there.  However, there's not a lot of games that reach those kinds of levels.  Now think about movies and TV.  There's a lot more sex there than in video games.

Similarly, her comment about illegal activities.  While they're not extremely rare, they're not that common, either.  The violence in most games is fairly legal.  Soldiers fighting a war, fighting your way across dangerous wastelands, or defending yourself from people intent on killing you is all fair game.

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DoA also promotes violence against men carried out by women.

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RapeLay should be the Godwin's Law of these pieces.  Anyone who uses it as an example automatically loses the argument.

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Except Godwins Law never makes a mention of losing an argument, it only states that the longer a debate goes, the more the probability of the debate being Godwin'd reaches 1.

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In which case, Rapelay can still be the Goodwin's Law of video games....

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I am everywhere.

OT: "Papadopoulos writes that the document is “not an opinion piece,” but one constructed from “empirical data from peer reviewed journals.”

In other words she's hid her opinion behind cherry picked data. Like conveniently forgetting that games that revolve around violent, illegal behaviour (and may well reward you in some fashion for it), are not intended for children and are rated accordingly.

 

Incidently "Games consoles are sold with a separate ‘unlocking’ code, which purchasers can choose to input if they wish to use or allow access of the console to adult and online content."

How is THIS going to help with the hundreds of thousands of ALREADY BOUGHT consoles that can play these horribly violent and sexual games (not that I can think of any besides the one YOU CAN'T GET ANYMORE that match both of those criteria.) Also, fuck you bitch, I got a PC!

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"I am everywhere."

 

Perhaps you are the true mind behind Gamepolitics?

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I was more referring to the fact I'm far from the only person on the net with this username. On account of it being whole-sale plagiarism of a book title.

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Just to see how long it would take, I searched for a way to play Rapelay on my computer.  Using nothing more than Google, I found it in less then five minutes.  So technically you can still get it, although why anyone would want to is beyond me.  Especially since it barely qualifies as a game, is in a foreign language, seems to have no entertainment value whatsoever, it's easier to go to a place like 4chan for those certain needs, and...uh...um...there was something else...oh yeah, it trivializes women and rape and is disgusting...allegedly.

 

Moving on, games do sexualize girls, as does tv, magazines, and several other facets of daily life.  Then again there are many magazines, books, games, so on so forth that sexualize guys, but I guess that's another thing?  I guess in the end they do this cause sex sales.

 

I have to say that pieces like this that only look at a limited aspect, don't get their facts straight, and try to build off of paranoia to make a name for one's self, don't really help matters, but instead cloud and confuse others.  And remember, this is not an opinion piece, but is fact constructed from empirical data from peers...allegedly...

 

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Well, by "not available" I meant "not commercially available" (even in Japan anymore). But of course once something is on the internet, it's NEVER leaving.

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ZippyDSMleeYou still wind up pushing people out of the non high rise aeras but tis least damage you can do all things considered.04/16/2014 - 10:26pm
ZippyDSMleeANd by mindlessly building upward you make it like every place else hurting property prices,ect,ect. You'll have to slowly segment the region into aeras where you will never build upward then alow some aeras to build upward.04/16/2014 - 10:25pm
Matthew WilsonSF have to build upwards they have natural growth limits. they can not grow outwards. ps growing outwards is terable just look at Orlando or Austin for that.04/16/2014 - 4:15pm
ZippyDSMleeIf they built upward then it would becoem like every other place making it worthless, if they don't build upward they will price people out making it worthless, what they need to do is a mix of things not just one exstreme or another.04/16/2014 - 4:00pm
Matthew Wilsonyou know the problem in SF was not the free market going wrong right? it was government distortion. by not allowing tall buildings to be build they limited supply. that is not free market.04/16/2014 - 3:48pm
ZippyDSMleeOh gaaa the free market is a lie as its currently leading them to no one living there becuse they can not afford it makign it worthless.04/16/2014 - 3:24pm
Matthew WilsonIf you have not read http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/introducing-steam-gauge-ars-reveals-steams-most-popular-games/ you should. It is a bit stats heavy, but worth the read.04/16/2014 - 2:04pm
Matthew Wilsonthe issue is when is doesn't work it can screw over millions in new york city's case. more often than not it is better to let the free market run its course without market distortion.04/16/2014 - 9:36am
NeenekoTrue, and overdone stagnation is a problem. It is a tricky balance. It does not help that when it does work, no one notices. Most people here have benifited from rent controls and not even realized it.04/16/2014 - 9:23am
ZippyDSMleehttp://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/04/15/riaa_files_civil_suit_against_megaupload04/16/2014 - 8:48am
ZippyDSMleeEither way you get stagnation as people can not afford the prices they set.04/16/2014 - 8:47am
Neenekowell, specifically it helps people already living there and hurts people who want to live there instead. As for 'way more hurt', majorities generally need less legal protection. yes it hurt more people then it helped, it was written for a minority04/16/2014 - 8:30am
MaskedPixelantehttp://torrentfreak.com/square-enix-drm-boosts-profits-and-its-here-to-stay-140415/ Square proves how incredibly out of touch they are by saying that DRM is the way of the future, and is here to stay.04/16/2014 - 8:29am
james_fudgeUnwinnable Weekly Telethon playing Metal Gear http://www.twitch.tv/rainydayletsplay04/16/2014 - 8:06am
ConsterTo be fair, there's so little left of the middle class that those numbers are skewing.04/16/2014 - 7:42am
 

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