RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

March 10, 2010 -

A Rhode Island Bill that proposes fines and possible jail time for retail employees that sell Mature(M) or Adults Only (AO) rated games to underage consumers has drawn backing from the Parents Television Council (PTC).

S.2156 (PDF) proposes to label it a misdemeanor to sell “M” rated games to anyone less than seventeen years or “AO” rated games to someone less than eighteen years of age. Fines of up to $1,000 and jail time of “not more” than one year are the bill’s proposed penalties. The bill is sponsored by State Senators Frank Ciccone (D), Paul Jabour (D), Beatrice Lanzi (D) and Michael McCaffrey (D).

In urging the Rhode Island legislature to pass the bill, PTC President Tim Winter stated:

This legislation empowers parents by enforcing the industry’s voluntary guidelines which, far-too-frequently, are not followed.  And the measure would accomplish its noble goal without infringing on the ability of an adult to purchase the mature-themed product.

Winter also stated that recent Iowa State University research into violent games should serve as “a wake up call for lawmakers and industry leaders,” as the research “proves that playing adult video games can lead to increased aggression and aggressive thoughts.”

PTC Rhode Island Chapter Director Marcia Weeder added:

Half of the retailers our chapter visited responded with contempt when it was pointed out that they weren’t following the ratings when selling adult games to children.  Obviously, penalties are needed to enforce what should be a simple thing for retailers to control.  If we can prohibit the sale of tobacco, alcohol, and pornography to minors without restricting the rights of adults, we can do the same with adult games.


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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

You can't fine soemone for selling non pornographic media to soemone, unless you mark ALL media,books, magazine,music,ect child,kid,teen,mature and adult,ect. If we are going to waste time,money and effort to burn books lets do all sections of media and do it right.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Let's punish the retail workers and not the parents who obviously shouldn't be parents in the first place.  If my son buys something he shouldn't, I'm not going to blame the store because I was too lazy to pay attention.  That's just irresponsible parenting.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

This legislation empowers parents by enforcing the industry’s voluntary guidelines which, far-too-frequently, are not followed.  And the measure would accomplish its noble goal without infringing on the ability of an adult to purchase the mature-themed product.

you do realize what the word voluntary means, don't you Tim? and it doesn't empower parental authority, it supresses it.

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"RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC"

Then it is shot down, just like all the others, followed by a hefty fine to the ESA. Don't they ever learn?

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

As has probably already been mentioned (I'm too lazy to read all the comments), this bill will ultimately fail, because it it illegal.  You cannot enforce a ratings systems that is run by a unregulated private group that sets their own standards, and is a technically voluntary system, by force of law.  It's already been tried, and shot down several times.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

"If we can prohibit the sale of tobacco, alcohol, and pornography to minors without restricting the rights of adults, we can do the same with adult games."

The thing is, we really can't do any of this without restricting the rights of adults.  If an adult attempts to purchase one of the above products without proof of age they will be denied pursuant to the law.  An adult is only entitled to their rights when they are able to prove they're an adult, this is a restriction.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Yawn.......this whole story again

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Not this again.  They will never learn.  

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Video games don't cause cancer or inhibbit your ability to drive after done playing. Video games are a media like movies and music. Those are NOT restricted by law why start with video games?

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Come on, Rhode Island.  Attempts to legislate video games are so 2005.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

If we can prohibit the sale of tobacco, alcohol, and pornography to minors without restricting the rights of adults, we can do the same with adult games.

M-rated games are not the same as adult games, hence the AO rating. and alcohol isn't restricted just to minors.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

There are no adult video games in the US. The highest rating allowed to be sold and allowed on consoles is 17 and up.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Actually AO games ARE legal to be sold, but like NC-17 movies it's a kiss of death because retailers are scared to sell them because of assholes like this bunch protesting. But yes it is legally possible to make,sell, and buy AO rated software.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Well, this will fail like all the others. Bills like this are the equivalent of just handing government money to the gaming industry.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Which is doubly annoying when you remember that government money is our money.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Yes, this is gonna to fail just after some thousands of dollars from tax payers wasted and many BAWWWWWs from politicians.

So, sit back and enjoy the show. After all, you are all gonna to pay for it.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

You would think at some point judges would slap them with personal fines for stuff like this.

They KNOW this law is illegal.  Even a first year law student looking at the track record of these bills will tell them, so their high paid lawyers are probably going to tell them the same thing.  There need to be limits to shielding elective officals from consequences of illegal actions.....

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

I'd respond with contempt too. Especially since not too long ago there was a report that videogame's had a higher rating of adherance to age restrictions than movies, music, etc.

Ah well, just like everything else that's been demonized, videogames just need to hang in there till the scaremongers and politicians find something else to blame.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Formal condemnation should go out to the Anti-Human Rights (and Freedom of Experssion IS a Human Right) organization PTC for knowingly and intentionally lying to and deceiving the general public as well as to government officials who have knowingly and intentionally lied to and deceived the general public in regards to the purpose of the ratings system as well as misleading the general public regarding the incompetently designed and incomplete studies published in regards to specific media and their part in "aggression" and "aggressive thoughts" as well as their part in real world vioelnce.

If lies, deceit, and misinformation are being taught to children as "moral" acts, then organziations such as the PTC should be treated as the immoral, deviant, obscene organizations that they truly are.

First, and most importantly, the ESRB rating system is NOT designed as a policy setting tool.  Individual orgnaizations, retailers, etc use the ESRB system to voluntarily set their own individual policies around.  But the rating system itself is NOT a dictate to anyone as to what is or is not appropriate for anyone.  I realize that an organization such as the PTC, founded on the belief and support of a Theological Dictatorship, believes it SHOULD dictate what is or is not appropriate for others, and therefore are incapable of understanding the ideals of logical, intelligent though surrounding Freedom of Expression.  Circumventing Freedom of Expression laws to pass dictates is STILL an effort to violate Human Rights of Freedom of Expression, as proven in their very arguments in defining what THEY preceive to be appropriate or not appropriate for other people and their children.

The ESRB rating system is designed as an INFORMATION resource tool for individuals and Parents.

Secondly, long since proven misleading and false have the so-called studies been.  The complexity of the individual, and the exclusion of that complexity of the individual from the study research has long since shown that such studies are incompetently performed and incomplete in the most gross sense.

Neither the researchers, nor those who tout them, including the Anti-Human Rights organization the PTC as well as a number of other individuals, organizations, and politicians, follow the ideals of The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And Nothing But The Truth.

And for that, the PTC among others, deserve derision and condemnation.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC Assclowns

More of this horseshit? Never mind the cold, hard fact that every attempt by the states have failed miserably. Pathetic.

The Parent Trash Cult is run by liars and frauds(see WWE winning a $3.5 million settlement from these assclowns), so it's not surprising that Tim Whiner and his garbage group of would-be pedophiles are behind this bullshit bill.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

So what makes these Rhode Island politicians think that their bill is any different from the 10 that have already failed to pass court scrutiny? What makes tehm think they are going to win a legal challenge by the games industry? Oh right. They are doing it for the children. That makes it all better.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

They DON'T expect it to pass.  They expect to get plenty of press to lie, deceive, and make false claims off its publicity.  And to add additional lies, deceit, and misinformation when the law is opposed.

It's much like a certain someone filing a lawsuit, sending out press releases and emails to various individuals and organizations claiming the saintly superiority of having stood up to those he sued, then either letting the suit sit or, after a fashion, voluntarily dismissing it once he's gotten all the publicity, large or small, that he wanted to get out of it.

That's why these bills keep popping up.  Not to get passed, but to get publicity to immorally, dishonorably, and unethically spread lies, deceit, and misinformation to as many as possible and sway as many as they can to support Anti-Human Rights in the form of Anti-Freedom of Expression.

After all, go to a larger government body and say "look, we tried lots and lots of bills to circumvent Freedom of Expression (knowing that they would fail anyway but sssshhhh), so now we're demanding to outright ban anything and everything we don't like (despite the fact that WE are as immoral, dishonorable, and unethical as we are claiming they are but sssshhhh).  And since we couldn't circumvent... er... do it the 'easy' way, we should do it the way we really wanted... er... the 'hard' way."

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

That's why I believe That Small govt Is less Problematic on the local, State and Federal Level

And I NEVER trust Politicans Due To the fact That if they lie, we lose some rights as a result

I do think That it's time for A gamer TEA(Taxed enough already) party but Unlike the morons, Bring an end to the Goverment waste That special intrests are keen To win for(by asking congress to Ban all lobbying as a result) So we can sweep away Corruption on all levels(so we can lessen The money lost on Frivolus Laws like this)

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America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Here's an interesting bit:

"A sales clerk who knowingly or intentionally sells or rents a violent or sexually explicit video game to an individual less than eighteen (18) years of age, knowing that the individual is less than eighteen (18) years of age, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor."

So not only is it a misdemeanor to sell/rent a game that's M or AO to a minor, but any game that's violent or sexually explict (neither term is defined).

Also, from a logisitics standpoint, how would this be enforced?  Who's going to blow the whistle when this happens?  The store?  No.  The gamer?  Rather unlikely.  The parent?  Probably not, they either know or don't care.

Yeah, this one is going to fail.  Hard.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

especially seeing how the M rating means 17 and up, which is one less than 18

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岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

P.S. - Notice how it's all Censorcrats uh I mean Democrats proposing this bill. I'm far from a Republican but both parties legitimatly suck and don't give a fuck about individual rights and freedoms. Time to vote a new thrid party in to power. One that actually respects the constitution.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Good example of how america does not HAVE a left party.  It is just right, right, and right.  They just argue about the memes and essentially behave the same.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

A year in jail for selling a violent game to a 16 year old. What about a store that sells the latest bloodbath Stephen King novel to a 14 year old. Will they get a year in prison. I doubt it. OH well, these laws have been shown to be unconstitutional time and time again so there is no need to worry. Beyond speech that falls under the legal definition of "Obscene or Harmful to minors" Minors perticlularly older minors (adolecents and teenagers) have First Amendment rights and rightfully so.

  "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Wow, how stupid can Rhode Island be? There was a smiliar bill in New York a few years back that would have done the same thing but was dropped before there would be voting on it. Why? Because it was fucking stupid that game retailers would be jailed for crap that cigaret and beer seller would only get fined for.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

It's akin to imprisoning someone for ten years for posession of weed when a murderer only gets four

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Tobacco, alcohol, and porn are NOT the same things as games.

 

As always, if the PTC endorses it, it's a bad idea.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

And still they want to fine just with videogames, because everything else is just OK.

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

It's about the equivelent of jailing someone for possession of weed for the same amount of time as a serial killer.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Didn't they learn from the last 50 million (obvious overstatement) attempts to pass this nationwide that it is inherently unconstitutional? You can not give a private company the weight of law. It's illegal and unconstitutional and just leads to wasted money every time. How about focusing on other stuff that's actually important like Rhode Island's 12.7% Unemployment Rate?

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Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

This kind of fix is appealing to people, because it uses a system that's already in play. It's like magic! It creates jobs (oversight for the enforcement) and doesn't require a government rating system (which would have a whole slew of problems).

It's more or less the political equivalent of plagirism.

Re: RI Adult Videogame Bill Draws Kudos from PTC

Politics: the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.

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