Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

March 24, 2010 -

Illegal downloaders of a recently released Japanese erotic game are running into malware that gathers their personal information and uploads it to a website.

A pirated version of the game Cross Days is causing the mayhem, according to a story on Torrent Freak. Those downloading a certain illegal version of the game run a program that appears to be an installer, but turns out to be a Trojan, which grabs the user’s IP address. The virus then presents some kind of survey, which further mines more personal information from the user. All the data, along with a screenshot of the pirate’s desktop, is then uploaded to a website.

Those who had their information uploaded can have it removed from the site it has been posted to, states the site Japanator, but users must admit that they tried to steal the game (by clicking a button).

In a further twist of the knife for the infected, Terms of Service for the Trojan-laden installer reportedly lays out the course of events to come for those who double click it, but of course hardly anyone bothers to read such things.

This blog has a sampling of uploaded desktop pictures caused by the Trojan.


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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

 I agree with jedidethfreak in this thread.

However, I have once had an issue with zoning restrictions.  I ended up having my Gamecube moded, and I bought the games I wanted straight from japan and had them shipped over.  I personally think zoning is a stupid concept in modern application, but not in a "piracy is justified" sort of argument.

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

That's fair, and please keep in mind that I don't think that anyone who uses homebrew or a modded console is a pirate, because I know full well that isn't the case.  However, I do have a problem with the argument that console/media player manufacturers frowning upon such activity is somehow against the "consumer."

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Its agisnt the consumer because they are not getting full use out of the device they bought. They should not have any say over the hardware you either sell it or you do not, to say you can not not modify something after market is just plain wrong and stupid. As for the IP/CP software focus on the sellers of it first and foremost, trying to focus on distribution and copies will only create more scoff laws.

 

In law you can not separate the pirates from the moders/importers so you must allow the gray area to exist, its a bonus to a otherwise highly controlled and industry regulated market of caned,boreing and locked devices.


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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

If I bought a Gamecube, and can play Gamecube games, then I'm getting full use out of it.  If I bought a DVD player for Region 1, and can play Region 1 DVD's, then I'm getting full use out of it.  If I bought a DS, and and can play DS/DSiWare/GBA games (depending on which DS I own), then I'm getting full use out of it.  If I own an XBox 360, can play 360 games and have access to the internet so long as I follow Microsoft's rules, I'm getting full use out of it.  If I own a PC and can use the software for the operating system, so long as I meet the requisite specs, I am getting full use of it.

Your argument isn't for "full use."  It's for use beyond full use.  There is a difference.  Why do you think adding a supercharger to a 2010 Camaro voids the warranty?  By your argument, I'm not getting "full use."

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

It dose not matter as you can not make it law and enforce it reasonably, and not all DS's play GBA games.... I got a M3 so I could have a touch MP3 player and play my GBA games on it, sucks a video player sadly.

 

My point you can't make a blanket rule and assume its all one way or another, and with the DMCA they have done just that but again its impractical to enforce on a regular and constant basis. Support the scoff laws all you want just because you can still be arrested for sodomy these days dose not mean infringement is not as inane and silly.


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Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Nobody's talking about making any laws but you, Zip.  You seem to think it should be illegal for companies to do anything to make it so that what they produce is actually used for what they make it for.

And the only DS that doesn't play GBA games, at the very least here in America, is the DSi.  I commented on such in my post.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Bah bah sheep...the DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent hardware and software protections to use your fair use right to make a back up, so at the end of the day you want thought police to protect business from the world market instead of working to keep the public interested....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

It isn't illegal to mod hardware, you idiot.  It voids the warranty, and may restrict internet access for such hardware, but that's it.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Read the DMCA, why do you think modchips IE hardware(and software) copy protection circumvention are illegal in the US you moron.... hell even ICE and the FBI went after sellers a year or so ago......


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

No, they aren't illegal.  You want proof?  You know all those people suing Microsoft for their modded 360's being banned from XBL?  If it were illegal to mod a console, they'd have been arrested, as they freely admit to having modded 360's.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Oh bah bah sheep.....the reason they go uncaught is because its practically UNENFORCEABLE .....

 

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/08/04/ohio-mod-chip-suspect-chronicles-raid...

 

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/08/13/media-backlash-hits-homeland-security...

 

http://gamepolitics.com/2009/08/04/feds-bust-california-college-student-...

 

Not all of these involve selling or giving away copies of media.....

 

Wake up and realize when you give copy right owners to many rights we as a whole lose our freedoms! *sigh*


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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

It's been said a million times, there is a difference between making your PS3 play Japanese Blu-Rays and making it play pirated PS3 games.  I'm sorry you don't see it.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

It dose not matter modchips and modding to circumvent the copy protection is illegal regardless. And the PS3 has not been hacked yet FYI. :P


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Read what you just posted - modchips TO CIRCUMVENT COPY PROTECTION.  Region locking is not copy protection.  You can mod something to unlock the region coding without circumventing copy protection.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Region locking

IS COPY 

PROTECTION

 DUMB 

ASS!!!!!!!!!


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

No, it is not.  Region locking is a system put into media to allow easier localization of content.

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You KILL Vampires. You don't DATE them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Okay, I see what you mean.  I also see what you mean about the exception for DRM stuff.

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

This is probably the coolest story I've ever read on GP.  Way to go, Cross Day devs!

Also, /inb4_claims_of_illegal_activity_by_the_devs

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

The Devs have nothing to do with this as far as I can see. This is more like vigilante action by a third party. (Not that I've bothered checking beyond the article here mind.)

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

The moral of the story: Keep your anti-virus up to date and make sure you scan all those torrents!

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Or you could just, y'know, not steal. 

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

But that requires morals, and morals are just too difficult to obey anyway.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Well when I'm burning in hell I'll be sure to repent, until then I'll carry on enjoying my free games. kthnxbye.

*Goes back to playing on his CycloDS flash cart while his torrents finish.*

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

First honest thing you've said DarkSaber.

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Actually, no, DS is pretty honest.  Misguided, IMO, but honest.

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You KILL Vampires. You don't DATE them.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

FFS man sharing is not wrong, thats whats wrong with this country sharing=bad, go out and get it yourself or die*spit*. If unprofitable file sharing is wrong then there is nothing wrong with thought police.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

I really wish you would just stop with the BS moral arguments and just say that you don't believe you should have to compensate game authors for their hard work but still get to play their games anyway.  Trying to justify ripping off someone else by either saying it isn't theft because you say so or because there's some moral reason is ridiculous.  The software author is asking for money for their product.  If you don't agree and don't want to provide it that's fine but then you don't get to play it.  If you don't like that, too damn bad but thinking you aren't a scumbag thief doesn't make it so.  If your house ever gets robbed, I'm sure you wouldn't accept "well I had a moral reason to do it" as an excuse from the burgler.  Am I and those who actually pay for our games better people than you and those who try to rationalise stealing in the cloak of moral rectitude?  Damn right we are.

Anyone who ripped this game off is getting exactly what they deserve.

Parallax Abstraction
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blog.digital-lifeline.ca

Parallax Abstraction
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info



This reminds me of the argument of Christianity when they decry morals, as if they have an absolute grasp on the word. Morals are different for different people they are not prefect lil copies.



Heres the problem as I see it the world is going to infringe upon ip/CP no matter what inane and ineffective laws are passed, Conglomerated Cooperate pretty much runs the media industry with an iron fist they took out right of return away and have damaged our fair use rights so ya know screw them.


Sharing is oblivious to the media industry because its to big, and people are piratically bred to consume so even if you allowed free non profit sharing it would not damage the media industry.



Again sharing is not theft its not a criminal offense,a civil matter that is poorly enforced and without a proper expansion of fair use we will have the thought police looking for illisct media......




Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

"Again sharing is not theft its not a criminal offense,a civil matter that is poorly enforced and without a proper expansion of fair use we will have the thought police looking for illisct media......"

So, let's say you make Zippy's Grand Adventure and sell it for $5 on your website.  Now let's say I buy a copy.  You'd be totally fine with me hosting your game for free on my website?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Yes as long as you are not gaining any profit or trying to pay for the service useing my IP/CP, you are a  fan not some fragging pirate.

 

While I might bitch at the term pirates/piracy's whole purpose is to make money off the goods they copy and that should be a crime equitable to drug sells.

 


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

You're many things Zip, but at least you're not a hypocrite.

 

Andrew Eisen

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AE

The world is big enough to allow for free sharing of media and information and as the modern nations become 2nd world nations its all more important that the public can have access to information without the fear of jack boot enforcers.

Also I think as things like ACTA get ratified and spread across the world if they would focus on profit and trying to make profit from IP/CP they would close out all the "bad" information distribution sites and allow self run free ones to exist.

 

We need more individual/user protection in fair use our last line of defense against media police and thought control....

/ tinfoilhat mode

 


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

This story isn't about "file sharing."  It's about pirating a game.  Pirating a game is illegal in a vast majority of countries around the world.  If you don't like that by pirating a game, you are breaking the law, too bad for you, I guess.  Until downloading media you didn't pay for is made legal, you're just going to have to deal with those of us that think breaking the law for your own personal gain is wrong.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Piracy only happens on the open sea's, file sharing is not piracy, nor bootlegging.

Did they try and sale it illicitly ,thats bootlegging then.

Downloading is sharing and hard to prove much less enforce, downloading/sharing is like the pot argument only people seem to be twice as anal about it.

 

I am sorry but this is how the world works you either sale your product/software to an interested public or you do not, downloading/sharing is oblivious to that because if the public is not buying its not the downloading/sharers fault the public is not interested in it.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Apparently, you still don't see this as not about file sharing.

Also, are you saying that people pirating MW2 did so because there was no public interest, or that public interest waned because of it being pirated?  If so, your idiocy has reached a whole new level, Zip.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Looks at frist few lines of the article....

"Illegal downloaders of "

I am sorry but this is about file shearing and idiots  pushing out male ware/virus only the idiots invoked this time are the devs that made the game.

 

Public interest dose 2 things dear it drives popularity and popularity drives sells frist, fan works and sharing next. You can not realistically have one without the other.

 

Now by all means treat illicit profit like drug sells, as sharing needs to be forced to stay health and be separated from the blackmarket.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

The only thing more contorted than your logic is your spelling.

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Meh I have worse days :P

My thoughts are contorted because I do not believe sharing/downloading is a crime worth policing much less wasting time on. Now for profit sharing/downloading is a whole other ball game of which 50-80% of current sharing/downloading thrives on, but due to good old fashion greed and contempt they want to throw the baby out with the bath water....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

As many people keep pointing out, file sharers != illegal downloaders.  I play Guild Wars, which uses peer-to-peer file sharing for updates.  By your argument, I'm an illegal downloader, since you seem to equate the two.

I didn't understand anything else you posted after the first couple of sentences, so I'm not going to comment on anything else.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

 Not quite I am saying downloading=sharing and sharing can not be illegal no mater the scoff laws against it.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Uhh...yeah, it can be illegal.  If they pass a law saying it's illegal, it's illegal.

Did you get a really good bottle of pills, or a really bad one?  You're coming off a lot stupider than usual.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

 

*sigh* If soemthign is not enforceable is it still illegal? Look at the civil rights movement, look at the pot movement,ect copy right or more specifically fair use is in the same gray area that society has not really thought hard and long about. And yes I will proundly say non for profit infringement is on the same level of civil disobedience during the 50s.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

 "If soemthign is not enforceable is it still illegal?"

Yes it is still illegal.

A crime is still a crime whether or not you get caught, and people HAVE been caught for piracy and what-not.

Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Scoff laws are scoffed at because of lack if enforcement and antiquation ....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Now you're comparing illegal copying to the civil rights movement?  Do you honestly expect anyone else to make that jump?

Since public schools obviously failed you, a couple of things you should know:

-Nobody has the right to copy someone else's work.  Doing so is not a civil right.  The reason minorities fought for civil rights is because SOME had them and others don't.  This isn't like that.  This isn't an issue where SOME people can commit piracy legally and others can't.  NOBODY can do so legally.

-Civil rights isn't a "grey area."  It never was.  It was always black and white (pun not intended, I swear).

-Copyright isn't a "grey area" either.  If you didn't make it, and don't have permission to distribute it from the person/group who did - for profit or otherwise - you're breaking the law.

-Fair use doesn't allow people to distribute for personal use, no matter how many drugs you take to make yourself think that.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Actually fair use dose protect one from distributing clips and such for criticism and such, the trouble is when the sht hits the fan a court has to determine if its fair use or not. Which is the same as being shot and given a citation to come to court.. fair use is woefully inept for these times.

 

No not many understand the ramification of allowing copy right owners to squash fairuse, free speech and thought, you either understand the meaning of digital disobedience or you are philosophically with the anti civil rights crowd of the 50s because of arrogance or ignorance or both.....


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Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Fair use doesn't protect distribution in any way.  It protects the use of it.  I can do a book report on a John Grisham novel, using quotes from the book, and have the use of the quotes protected by Fair Use laws.  I cannot copy the book and give it out to hundreds of thousands of people so they can read the book without paying for it, nor can I take said copy without paying for it, and have that protected by fair use.  You seem to think people can and should.  That's why I still stand by my post that you have no idea what fair use actually entails, and should stop using it as an argument.

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

You forgot to use this.

http://deadlystealthfrogs.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/soapbox.jpg

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

That's really all you have, in an attempt to make some sort of argument that having a problem with piracy is wrong?

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Re: Pirates Pay for Download with Upload of Personal Info

Your assumption I am trying to make an argument is invalid.

I'm just encouraging people to laugh at you as you go all frothy-mouthed.

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