Blame Games for Education's Growing Gender Gap

April 8, 2010 -

Could videogames be responsible for a widening education gap between U.S. men and women?

The author of a piece in the Wichita Eagle seems to think so. Citing a drop in the number of American males earning college degrees, the article claims that women are not forcing males out of the classroom; instead, “Women are taking empty seats as males fall by the wayside.”

While some groups have pinned the fall of man on recent education reforms or the “feminization of the classroom,” the piece’s author notes that, “Males are dropping out of academics in all developed countries,” and, “Whatever is depressing boys' school performance is cutting across cultural and political boundaries and widely disparate educational systems.”

The “whatever” mentioned above does not remain unnamed for long, as the author offers, “This decline in boys' scores coincides with the emergence of video games.”

The author cites a pair of research studies a basis for his opinion: a 2009 study from Iowa State University’s Dr. Douglas Gentile, which stated that one in twelve 8-18 year old gamers were addicted (a study that Dr. Cheryl Olson later challenged), and a Denison University study from earlier this year, which examined the “displacement effect” videogames have on alternate activities, including studying.

Regarding the latter Denison University study, the article states, “Nevertheless, educators and computer enthusiasts are in denial, trying to find fault with the study or somehow deflect the damning evidence.”

The author ends with the following advice:

If we are going to stop this educational slide of males, we are going to have to take the electronic toys out of the hands of our young boys.


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It's called having discipline & applying oneself to studying.

 

 

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I'm slightly biased towards this being BS, but then again, I think games do play a large part of wasted time for the individuals, depending on the game genres and habits of the individual. I know more than a couple people who had MMOs sap their ambition in life to the point they didn't even feel like going to work.

It's not that coincidental in my opinion. As for it being the only cause? I doubt it, but I think it's definitely a factor.

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Girls in university? I've HEARD of them but never seen one. Then again I study IT, the sausage fest class makeup seems to be a near universal constant.

 

Hmm I've just had an idea, I'm just starting to learn C# and XNA programming, does anyone fancy teaming up to make this new game idea I just thought of? Its called "The Blame Game" and is specifically designed to depict every one of these moronic claims. The hero will be an educationally stunted overweight psychotic who can't tell fantasy from reality. What other attributes should he have?

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I recall in my early through high school career that the classes I learned the most in were the ones that the teacher was the most engaging in. Good teachers find ways to reach out and motivate students.

You can't teach one who does not wish to learn (like a politician).

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Prehaps it has to do with the fact that women don't get up in a culture that discourages learning, or perhaps it could have to do with (statistically), the jobs with the highest female representation (Teaching and medicine) both require higher education.

 

 

It could also have to do with the Government school system being shit.

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Are you kidding?  I got my college degree *because of* video games!  And you need to work a better job so you can buy more video games.

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Are schools even teaching the scientific method anymore? I swear it seems to be really easy (too easy!) to get faux science published lately.

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I think one thing they need to do is really make school fun and interesting.

yes i know that sounds really cliche and stuff, but really, do you want to know why i'd rather play video games then do my homework? it's because the games were 10x more fun (and i was the kid who could pull A's and B's without study and minimum homework). You don't even have to make it fun, just give them a reason to care, to be interested, give them a lively teacher who can utilize technology and popular things rather than just yak at them for an hour.

Like my biology teacher in high school, he  didn't just sit at an overhead moaning on, he made power point presentations that included backround music and video clips like family guy, SNL, or other funny yet relavent clips to make sure we weren't sleeping half the time. yeah, the guy turned out to be a bit of an asshole in the end for various reasons, but hey, he still kept it interesting.

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Out of shape?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES!  Bad oral hygiene?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES!  Violent murderer?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES AND THE DEVIL!  Low test scores?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES!  Can't get it up?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES!  Your wife left you?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES!  You live in Wisconsin?  BLAME YOUR PARENTS AND THEIR VIDEO GAMES!  You're bored?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES!  Your overall health is failing you?  BLAME VIDEO GAMES!  This whole post is stupid and adds nothing to the conversation?  I BLAME VIDEO GAMES!

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Very true on that.  I've been gaming for nearly 20 years now and my first system was a NES.

 

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I have real life experience in college. And knew many people who dropped out.  I can say with 100% certainty that video games had nothing to do with them dropping out.  They dropped out because they didn't have the will to attempt to stay in college.  I even know a couple that dropped out from a liberal arts college and then later went to one of those video game specialization schools and dropped out there.  It had nothing to do with video games.  They had no will to put any effort into it.  

Trend for 15 years huh?  As said video games have been around for much longer than that.  15 years ago sounds about the time when more people starting to go to college.  When it started becoming expected you go to college instead of just getting a job right out of high school.  Men that have no will to further their education and just doing what they think is expected of them, but not putting any effort into it and dropping out.  

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What about decades of Feminism that taught boys (all the way through college) that they were born rapists?  Bet that did wonders for young males and their self-worth.

What about all the hysteria about girls and their self-esteem that created a culture of over-concentrating on girls and their scholatic merit? 

What about the dominance of women teachers and how they create classrooms with female-oriented learning? 

What about the fact that boys acting like boys is treated like a mental disorder that results in a disproportionate (sp?) amount of boys being medicated for supposed "hyperactivity"?

 

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What about the dominance of women teachers and how they create classrooms with female-oriented learning?

This here is what I think causes the so-called "gap."  Anything lower than high school is dominated by female teachers (unless it's the failed athelete who's now bitter at life male PE teacher), and as such they tailor their classes to suit their teaching styles.  Problem being is their teaching styles typically help more for young girls then they do for young boys.  Thus, girls are inspired to learn from an early age, where as boys become uninterested in education.

Over simplification, I know, but I'd just like to make the statement that I was told all of this by a very liberal female former-teacher who now works for the local school district to help advise failing teachers.  

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Teaching is considered a feminine career choice and people act so fucking surprised when it's female dominated field.

But noooooooooooo, it is the ebil feminists.....

 

As for the "Boys are taught they are rapists", seriously where the fuck is this happening? I've yet to encounter any of this crap. The only message I have ever gotten was that you shouldn't have sex with someone who is drunk because they cannot consent to have sex. Also abuse is bad, you shouldn't do that. (This was told to a class of men and women).

Of course this lesson apparently needs to be taught if my interactions with most of the guys I know are any indication.

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Have you been to college?  At Rutgers (1996-2001) we had that shit drummed into us daily since freshmen orientation- in no small part that the women's college was full of angry, hate-filled Radical Feminist psychos.  For a few years, I bought into their bullshit and became a self-hating man.  And dating these types of Feminists is horrible- they get off on pointing out your personal flaws as being a result of your masculine inferiority.

Are you not aware of the (radical) Feminist concepts of heterosexual behavior?  The idea is that all men will rape a woman if the conditions are "right", such as being able to get away with it- its just how men are hard-wired. 

Oh, and according to them sex is considered rape if one of the partners (always a women, to them) agrees to have sex when they didnt initiate it.  So, the next time your wife/gf has sex with you only because you asked for it (and they weren't going to initiate in the first place), then you have just raped her.  Congrats! 

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As for the "Boys are taught they are rapists", seriously where the fuck is this happening?

UCLA freshman orientation.  They repeatedly say that at each level of having sex you must always ask for approval before hand, and that if they don't specifically say the word "yes" then you should go no further (In other words, "may I kiss you?" "may I make a chance for second?" "In field home run anyone?").  If you do, then you're in the wrong and have hurt the woman emotionally.  I really wish that I was exaggerating that.

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Oh god, how terrible, having to ask someone if it's okay to get into their "Personal" space is so fucking hard to do. What a fucking inconvenience.

You know what, it's a baseline that needs to be hammered into some dudes heads, especially in relation to random sexual encounters, hookups, and one night stands. You ask permission until you know with absolute certainty the boundaries of the relationship.

You ask because our society pretty much vilifies the idea of a women who is comfortable and not passive in her sexuality or her sexual encounters.

It's not that fucking hard to say, "Do you want to have sex?" and if your partner seems uncomfortable "Are you all right?" or "Is everything okay?"

Oh wait, I forgot, not being a controlling asshole is a massive boner killer. My bad.

 

Telling guys, the group that is supposed to be sexual aggressive according to our society, that they should think about the other person in the situation is not "Calling all men rapists" unless we are assuming that all men can't control themselves and can't actually engage in consensual sex.

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What you are assuming, and what irritates the hell out of me, is that all men are incapable of comprehending appropriate social and sexual behavior without having it beaten into their heads with a stick.  Effectively, you're saying men have not developed and will not develop since the days of hunter-gatherer society. 

Further, you're intrinsically placing all responsibility for ensuring both partners are comfortable upon the man.  Which is, when you think about it, quite sexist.  Instead of telling guys that they have to treat women like delicate flowers who break if we breathe upon them wrong (followed, I suspect, by promptly cussing them out for treating you like a delicate flower, at least if your posts so far are any indication), perhaps you should be telling women that they should vocalize if they have a problem?

Oh, and here's a thought - If there's any romance to a situation, perpetually asking "can I hold your hand?", "can I put my arm around your shoulders?", etc. is a really good way to kill that.  And considering that you probably still believe the man should be responsible for a relationship's progression (man asks girl out, man takes initiative in first kiss, etc.) that's honestly making a difficult job even harder.

In my experience in emotional encounters, it's amazing how often the real controlling assholes in the world are, in fact, women.  And they're typically the women who espouse the exact attitudes you've expressed here - That men are barely in control of themselves, that they are unfeeling assholes who barely think beyond "Sex!!!".

Nearly all of the men I know are actually rather caring, emotionally sensitive individuals.  Perhaps, if the men you've encountered are so different, it might be because you do something to absolutely disgust the decent men in the world, so only the assholes are willing to deal with you.

Something like, say, spouting the same sexist shit you're doing here.

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I'm not assuming most of my fellow men can't understand acceptable sexual behavior.

I'm recognizing that a huge number of men were never given a very good example of acceptable sexual behavior. I'm assuming that a significant number of men have no fucking clue what acceptable sexual behavior is because no one ever bothered to teach them. I'm assuming that a lot of men grew up in a society where teaching sex-ed is a highly controversial subject that people fight over on a daily basis. I'm assuming that we have shitty schools and shitty parents.

And for fucks sake, I'm assuming that most men can take a base line like "Be sure everything is okay" then apply it using their common sense.

I'm all for telling women to be confident with their sexuality and to vocalize their sexual wants and needs. However I'm not going to ignore the fact that our culture will vilify them for daring to do that.

I also believe women should be just as responsible for the progression of a relationship. I believe women should ask men out, I believe women should propose marriage, but you can call me when our society at large finds those things to be acceptable behavior in women. I'll start cheering.

I believe that men can control themselves and as a MAN I find it offensive when society excuses the behavior of men with the attitude of "Boys will be boys".

As a MAN I find it offensive when people blame a female rape victim for "dressing slutty" and "temping men"(Because as we know men can't control themselves(That's sarcasm)).

I am advocating education because I believe that men are capable of controlling themselves.

I advocate that men should be aware of the difference in power that exists in relationships between men and women. I will continue to advocate this until American culture changes.

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here here.  Well said.

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I can see both sides to this argument, but I'll just say that for most, they go for the moment, and it kinda ruins it when you stop and say, "I'm gonna kiss you alright?"  Other times they're to embarrassed to ask, but that's neither here nor there.  What I really wanna comment on is:

Telling guys, the group that is supposed to be sexual aggressive according to our society, that they should think about the other person in the situation is not "Calling all men rapists" unless we are assuming that all men can't control themselves and can't actually engage in consensual sex.

There's nothing wrong with what you said, but you should note that plenty of feminists out there have said that all men are rapists.  And no, I don't mean they pussy footed around the words, they literally said all men are rapists.  I believe that most refer to these ladies as fem-nazies.

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There are plenty of Pro-Gun people who are raging fuckwits, thankfully I'm willing to accept that the most vocal and most extreme are not always the actual center of a movement, they are just the most obvious members because the moderates are usually busy working to make the world a better place for everyone. A movement is not the sum of it's extremists.

Unless of course it's a movement you disagree with despite never bothering to to actually understand.

 

I hate to break it to people, but "Fem-nazis" are not the bulk of the current "wave" of feminism.

 

Also I expect most people can apply commonsense to asking for consent.

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Amen.  Hell, medicating for hyperactivity alone causes a lot of problems with development and retention (when you drug a kid, you aren't helping them pay attention and retain knowledge, you're just tiring them out, basically). 

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Hell yes it causes problems with development.  I had to take a pill they told me would "mellow me out".  Combine this with seeing a child psychologist at the schools recommendation, who recommended me for anger management classes, and by middle school I had done a full 180: in grade school I got bored, and angry easily and got in fights with others.  By middle school, I wouldn't argue, couldn't look my teachers in the eye (stil couldn't by first year of high school), had no self confidence, wouldn't volunteer for anything in class, would not do group work (I would not get a partner, and would just do the assignment myself and turn it in) was universally picked on by my classmates (many from other classes too) and I never stood up to them, because I was basically taught that would be bad.  Literally, just getting tired of it and beating one of them up would have stopped it, but I never did.

Come the third year of middle school, it suddenly stopped.  Not sure why, but some people I'd never seen before even went out of their way to be nice to me.  Guess they thought I might snap and kill everyone one day, lol.  Of course, by this point I was so jaded against my classmates that I thought this was just a new way of teasing me. 

Never really recovered from that, though I think I'm very close now (I'm 22).  In short, all that child disorder stuff ruined my childhood, literally.

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If child being medicated for ADD/ADHD ends up being zoned out while one the meds, the child in question probably isn't ADD/ADHD in the first place. As a mother of a boy with sever ADHD, the meds allowed him to sit and pay attention to what the teacher was trying to teach. Besides, most ADD/ADHD meds are stimulants. Those don't make a person 'tired', they make a person wired.


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That happened to me. Due to a misdaignosis I was kept on that shit for over a year, and it made me a damned zombie, which might be what it's designed to do.

No problem they aren't willing to throw pills at I guess. That solution only works on office IT managers. >.>

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Lol, exactly the ADD/ADHD were not needed for those children. I wish someone would do a study on how many children on ADD/ADHD meds don't need them, its to bad that more money is made keeping the kids on the drugs.

Right now if a student acts up or is having trouble in class the Teacher says "ADD/ADHD", parent goes to Doctor and says "ADD/ADHD", Doctor puts the kid on drugs and when it doesn't work they just up the dosage saying "it takes some time". Best of all if the parent objects the teacher goes the the Doctor and then Social Services to force the parents to put the kid on drugs. That kids will be on meds for at least a year before people consider other options.

I am glad that they work for your child, but I would be willing to put money on over half of the kids on ADD/ADHD meds don't need them, and that causes me concern.

 

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Oh, and this is not the first time he makes such a claim.

See, for example, this comment in a Mark Bauerlein article : http://chronicle.com/blogPost/One-Strange-Boy-Stat/21897/

"When I lecture in China's universities, except for the specialized agricultural or mechanical schools, I am looking out at a sea of women students. The disparity related to the dropout of boys is worldwide (except in Japan and Turkey), and the gap is widening. The gap appeared over the last decade, corresponding to the rise of video-games and allowing for an earlier decade for the effect to accumulate. This international problem spanning other cultures and educational systems points to a factor far more pervasive than slight changes in the U.S. classroom and school system.

Last year, Douglas Gentile released a study showing video-game addiction with related academic problems was 3% among girls and over 12% among boys age 8-18 in U.S. That was at the level of 6 out of 11 symptoms; the rates would be even higher if we included under six symptoms. It showed clear correlation, not causation. Now, in the last issue of Psychological Science, Robert Weis and Brittany Cerankosky of Denison University used a different strategy to detect causation, breaking boys into equivalent groups and giving half videogames and tracking their academics. They found that video-game ownership impaired academic achievement for boys "...in a manner that has real-world significance."

For some reason, we are reluctant to direct blame to computer use and more specifically video-game use. (Put kids on electronics for nearly 9 hours a day [Generation M3 report] and then blame the vending machine in the school hall for their obesity!) Next time you pass a video-arcade, step in and count the boys. Except for Dance Revolution, it will be nearly all boys. If they spend all their time there, they will not be succeeding in school.

John Richard Schrock"

Not to forget last year's article : http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20090724101400324

"While Gentile did not address the topic, his research provides evidence that video-gaming is a major factor in the decrease in boys pursuing academic courses while girls now dominate college enrolments in developed countries."

See also this 2006 article : http://educationfrontlines.net/radio/060920-lastchild.htm

"What we have overlooked is that children who are immersed in computer and video games and television have left behind experiences that are vital to a healthy and creative life. In the “digital divide” it may be those with the digital toys who are left without."

Well, in fact, his true point is that there are less and less boys who are willing to pursue a career in biology, and the real responsibles are these darn computers.

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Boys' and girls' academic performance began to diverge 15 years ago and has accelerated in the past decade. Boys, who traditionally were far better in mathematics, have declined to now be at parity with girls on national tests.

This decline in boys' scores coincides with the emergence of video games.

So, video games emerged 15 years ago ? Never heard of Atari ? Or Nintendo ?

This very sentences says it all about the writer's crass ignorance of the subject.

Developmental psychologist Douglas Gentile published a survey etc. etc.

Douglas Gentile also published studies claiming that prosocial video games increase prosocial behavior. He also repeatedly said that video games weren't bad per se, and that they can teach good things as well as bad things.

It's not to say that I agree with everything Dr. Gentile says or publishes, but I'm somewhat marveled to find his name in yet another "vidja games are evil" piece of paper, even if he repeatedly warns that he never said so.

I'm also marveled to see he came to such a jaw-dropping conclusion only by citing 2 studies. Video games per se. No matter their content. No matter time spent on them. No matter (lack of) parental supervision *Facepalm*

Nevertheless, educators and computer enthusiasts are in denial, trying to find fault with the study or somehow deflect the damning evidence.

Of course, of course, when one doesn't think the same as you, it doesn't mean you can be wrong, it just mean you're the Owner of the Ultimate Truth, and all the others are in denial.

If we are going to stop this educational slide of males, we are going to have to take the electronic toys out of the hands of our young boys.

Well said, bro. Go convince first- and second-generation video gamers who are now parents, if not grandparents. Keep talking about "electronic toys" for game series such as Myst or Civilization.

You see, when my grandparents were young, people could specialize in one domain while being cultivated and curious enough to get interersted in other domains. One could pursue a career in medicine while having good knowledge of History. Nowadays, it seems that a guy who "trains biology teachers" is only good at that.

This is one of the reasons I stopped taking "opinion pieces" seriously.

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And yet, software development -- a field full of people who have been inspired by video games -- is still, woefully, an overwhelmingly male area of study.

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Or we could stop offering scholarships to just women or just African Americans or just Asian Americans or just Homosexuals or Just Hispanics etc. Instead, how about offering scholarships to anyone that applies and giving them to the most qualified regardless of race gender or sexual orientation.

Give men an equal footing for scholarships as women and we could close the gap some.

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There must be something wrong with me, as a white male I qualified for a billion fucking scholarships.

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Well, I'm a white male with a 3.7 GPA, no sports background and conservative ideals, from The Middle of Fucking Nowhere, Minnesota, so I qualified for the left-handed scholarship and nothing else.

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With a lower GPA I was eligible for something like 60 scholarships as a high school Senior, and slightly less as I went through college. Even more local ones.

Once I was on campus as a student I qualified for a bunch more. I just had to look for them and talk to people.

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Most of those scholarships are really private, and funded by people who wish to help people facing similar problems as they did when trying to get to a college and making a life for yourself.  Besides that really can't be the major factor here at all, since it really doesn't have much to do with race, just gender. 

 

I found a nice article from the NYT on this from a few years back

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/education/09college.html

""The boys are about where they were 30 years ago, but the girls are just on a tear, doing much, much better," said Tom Mortenson, a senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education in Washington." 

This quote up here stood out for me, it isn't that men are doing worse now, its that women are just doing better... so yeah make what conclusions you want about that.  Anothing thing mentioned in there is how the gap greatly widens in lower income families, which I think could partial have to do with the availability of scholarships, but also more about what the needs at the time are.  It is often seen as the social role of the guy to be more active in supporting the family, and honestly think this just becomes a sense of duty ingrained in the back of a guys head when thinking of going to college, will it be more of a boon or burden?  Would it be more helpful of me to rack up a huge college debt or start making money now?

Either way from a psychological standpoint I see it as college plays more to the female natural strength in communication.  Guys on the other hand are more likely to take risks, which often ends in bad decisions that affect grades, hell I choose not to study all the time to instead do something I think will be more beneficial in the end, and that is often just a social event.  It is also as much a part of women trying to break sterotypes that encourages them to try hard, it is a source of motivation guys just don't have and yes this could disadvantage them a little in school. 

Point being I think it has a lot more to do with cultural attitudes in general than something like the few extra scholarships available to women, or the emergence of video games.  Actually if it was video games we would see a decline in male performance when ctually all it appears to be is women surpasing what has been the male norm for decades...

 


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Oh ya I forogt about that...... "your white and amle sorry you do not apply" ah politcal correcntess look at what you havw wright....


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If we are going to stop this educational slide of males, we are going to have to take the electronic toys out of the hands of our young boys.

Seriously, this people is bored out of their minds. Thay don´t have anything better to do than blame videogames for any little shit they don´t like. Well, this don´t surpasses the "dental health" affair ot the past week. That was utterly stupid for someone with a medical degree.
 

 

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Why not start by stopping the invasions of whatever "terrorist" countries and pump some money into the education system?

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For some reason, pumping money into the education system doesn't seem to produce any noticeable result other than wasting more money.  Strange, that.

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Probably because the money goes to paying teachers more (which doesn't help when the teachers are crappy) and to building new facilities that don't have any effect on eduction (aka new football field or auditorium).

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Yeah, the Bristol twp School district in Bucks county PA is a prime example of wasting money on improving anything but education

in addition to getting rid of the State exit exam on top of it

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Wow.....talk about over simplification..... you want to know why the US is falling behind in education collage or otherwise?

Blame sports it steals the most money from academics,next is mismanagement and politics, 3rd we  as a society practically loath academics. And lastly who needs a collage degree to work a service job? We need more individual focus in shcool and more vocab and smoother transition from high school to vocab or collage....

 We need to get rid of the teachers unions and pay teachers based on based on performance not the fact they were grandfathered in....


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Actually, most D-1 NCAA athletic departments bring money into their respective universities....something many programs cannot claim.

Now small schools trying to run with the big dogs will cost money.  But most of that comes from donations from boosters who would not be giving the money to the music department because you can't trash talk your friends over how bad ass your a capella team is...

 

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Yeah, Booster clubs are a huyge problem too.

It may be a silly example, but I remember in King of the Hill the booster club tried to make a Star Athelete seem mentally challeneged just so he could continue to get a free pass to play football.

It's a fictonal example, but I won't be surprised if it really happens.

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I agree about sports and other wasteful spending.  My college just redid the front of their big fancy auditorium (wharton Center MSU) and for what? just to make the outside look better? why is money going to sports and bragging rights items like this when it could be going torwards financial aid to make college a reality for more people?

The pay based on performance poses a problem though, i've heard the idea, but the teachers themselves admit that then everyone would simply teach exams rather than the subject in it's entirety.

Re: Blame Games for Growing Education Gender Gap

To be fair, while I agree that performance-based pay isn't the answer, most teachers are paid so little that they mostly teach to the exams anyway, at least from my experience.

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Re: Blame Games for Growing Education Gender Gap

I remember my local high school was issues a bond and, well, pretty much all of it was spent on outward appearance and atheltic facilities, over 800K aspent on the football field alone, even worse was we still had to attend school during renovations, so in cases odd smells cropped up, which could have been anything.

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I was with you up until getting rid of the unions.

The teacher's unions could probably use some adjustments, but they got started due to very real problems that made being a teacher, even a really good one, a risky and misserable possition that was less a career and more a plaything for local political bosses and parents.

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Well unions(like politicians) in general are more abusiness out for their own interest at lest these days they are.

 


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