Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

April 14, 2010 -

Italian Interior Minister Roberto Maroni (pictured), who in the past has readily admitted to downloading music illegally, reiterated that he still obtains music in this fashion and also criticized France’s “three-strikes” policy against file-sharers.

Maroni, who is in a band himself, first admitted to pirating music back in 2006, and defended the practice by saying that it’s not the same as stealing from a supermarket, according to an article on Torrent Freak.

Maroni added:

It is as if the owner of this computer where I’m going to take the music from did a copy of a CD he bought and gave it to me, something that normally happens when we buy a CD and make copies for our friends.

A spokesperson from the country’s Federation of the Italian Music Industry (FIMI) wasn’t too overjoyed about Maroni’s comments, stating, “The Minister should consider the risk to jobs and loss of revenues to the state because of digital piracy.”

Regarding France’s Hadopi law, which was backed by French President (and pirate himself) Nicolas Sarkozy, Maroni said, “Introducing heavy penalties such as those in France to disconnect people from the Internet is wrong and does not work.”

Maroni hopes to someday create a “great national site where people can legally download music for free.” He believes that advertisers and sponsors could pick up the costs of such a service.


Comments

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Part of the problem of piracy is the uncertainty it places in the market for goods. Imagine for a moment that there is no piracy (or whatever your prefered term is, as it seems like it's no longer in vogue with some people), and you have a much more predictable market to corps, and also, usually, a larger market. This means they can lower prices and make up the difference in quantity, and have less waste in the form of unsold CDs on shelves, as they no longer have to more or less throw darts at a board to see how much/little piracy will effect sales. They could tailor their production and prices to the size of their market, possibly improving their product.

Now, would this make a significant difference? It's hard to tell, with piracy numbers all over the place for different types of media. It would give them an opportunity, but it's very possible that big business would just use it to keep doing the same old thing and get more money. It all depends.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

This is why a new model is needed.

It's is just accepted by the vast majority these days that people will rip off/pirate/share/borrow media (not just music) and there isn't really anything wrong with it. (regardless of how incorrect that perception is)

eg.

http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/03/trent-reznor-pa/

38 bucks to distribute 4 albums on Amazon, puts his own tracks up on torrents etc to promote them, still makes money.

Adapt or die imo.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Big biz has the thrid or forth option,corp welfare and allowing them to write laws.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

---

http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

"Piracy" is a red herring crated by media companies unwilling to update their business model. Even more ironic is that these media companies are far more worried about suing little Johnny 13 year old downloading songs because he's a super fan with no money of his own to spend than they are with REAL media pirates selling copies of music all day every day in foriegn country flea markets.

These media company are focusing way too much on the lesser pirates and not enough on the greater pirates. But then again, little Johnny 13 year old is low hanging fruit with an mailing address to send subpoenas to and knows that Mom and Dad will pay out come court time, yet going after real pirates is like hard... and stuff.

I have no sympothy for these media fat cats.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Indeed. They never create anything, they just leech off those who do.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Aren't these artists and music companies stealing by overcharging for CDs with only one or two good songs?

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Maroni: "It is as if the owner of this computer where I’m going to take the music from did a copy of a CD he bought and gave it to me, something that normally happens when we buy a CD and make copies for our friends."

Except, that's also illegal.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Since when was that illegal? It's always been my understanding that it was fine to make copies and even give them to friends so long as you weren't *selling* them (which is how it should be).

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

In the US any distribution of a copyrighted item without a license to do so is illegal always has been and seemingly always will be, you once had some rights to make backups and even acquire out of print items but that has mostly been done away with due tot he times and the DMCA.

 

Copyright should be focusing on money made from distribution not distribution and copies(copy circumvention) itself........ if you focus on distribution and copies you damage and take away the public's freedoms and rights via over reactionary and downright silly enforcement if the system can afford to police it anyway.... but if you focus on those that sell without a license its much easier to manage and track!


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

---

http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

In Spain and few UK/Europe countries its not. The US did not invent copyright......... just warped it badly....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

---

http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

I think we have as rule that any copies may not be separated from the original owner-wise. You sell the original, you sell the copies to the same person or destroy them. It's simple. You can have copies, let a friend borrow probably, but you just can't only own a copy.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

We did but the DMCA makes copy circumvenstion a crime so you can't have a copy to destroy in most cases......


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

---

http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

If anyone warped copyright badly it's lobbyists.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

I will add, I do like Maroni's idea.

That would be the ideal situation.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

All the more reason we need to change the definition of "piracy"...


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

---

http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

The only definition of piracy on the books is for crimes on the high seas. What these guys are talking about is infringement of copyright. Not the same thing as boarding a ship at sea with the intent to steal, rape and kill.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

I partially agree with you but looking at DVD,CD,cassette, ect piracy IE bootlegging the term loosely fits. The trouble is shearing,download,copying,backing up,ect while by the letter of the law infringes all the time.

 

So perhaps the law is wrong and not the public. Its my opinion the only way to sort it out and make things equal and easily enforced and that is not focusing on distribution and copying but the flow of money derived from the movement of copyright. No money flow no harm done PERIOD.

 

And again I will say to the uptight copyright nazis grow up and understand you can make up all the rules and laws in the world but it means jack if the people will not follow them, most of file shearing these days works on the illicit flow of money, you focus on that an the world is more likely to welcome it.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

---

http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Ok, regarding music piracy, anyone whose watched MTV cribs should know it's hardly hurting the artists, as they make most of their money off of concerts, merchadize and public appearances.

The ones who speak out most against it are those who hold the publishing rights, IE the businessmen who keep signing bands that suck and suing 14 year olds and their families for, well, more money than they can ever pay off.

Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

Well hardly hurting the major artists anyway.  I actually agree that most of the time it isn't the artist sueing, but the company they work with.

Either way this is one thing I feel weird about.  I mean you can't really regulate who listens to your music entirely.  The day I see someone sued over whistling a song they don't own the rights to I think I might feel the need to commit seppuku


Re: Italian Politician Openly Admits to Pirating Music

I'll flat out delete my colelction the day I see men in suits following people in stores with a calculator figuring out how much they owe for hearing the store's music, likely by the second.

 
Forgot your password?
Username :
Password :

Shout box

You're not permitted to post shouts.
Andrew EisenNow, having said that, what sites are you reading that are claiming that if "you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem" or that gamers are "obligated to stop harassment"? Or was that hyperbole too?09/21/2014 - 1:03am
Andrew EisenFirst of all, ONE person in the Shout box suggested an obligation to call harassers out on their harassing but only after YOU brought it up. Plus, Techno said "when you see it happening." If you don't see it, you're not under any obligation.09/21/2014 - 1:02am
Sleaker@Craig R. - at this point I don't even know what the hashtags are suppsed to be in support of. what does GamerGate actually signify.09/21/2014 - 12:21am
Sleaker@AE - Hyperbole for the first 2, but it seems like some of the comments in the shout are attempting to place blame on fellow gamers because they aren't actively telling people to stop harassing even though they don't necessarily know anyone that has.09/21/2014 - 12:16am
Andrew EisenSleaker - Who the heck are you reading that is claiming "all gamers are bad," we "need to pass laws or judgement on all gamers," that if "you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem," or that gamers are "obligated to stop harassment"?09/20/2014 - 9:44pm
erthwjimhe swatted more than just krebs, I think he swatted 30 people http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/05/teen-arrested-for-30-swattings-bomb-threats/09/20/2014 - 9:31pm
Craig R.Btw, the guy who swatted security expert Brian Krebs? He got picked up recently. It can be done.09/20/2014 - 8:55pm
Craig R.Such things are not done in a vacuum... hence why the 4chan and other logs show what fools you've all been, tricked into doing the trolls' work09/20/2014 - 8:49pm
Sleaker@Technogeek - How do you call someone out that anonymously calls in a SWAT team, or sends threats to people?09/20/2014 - 7:04pm
Technogeek"It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so." I'd say you're certainly obligated to call them out when you see it happening.09/20/2014 - 5:17pm
SleakerNow if you disagree with anything in my last 2 posts then we obviously have a difference in world view, and wont come to any sort of agreement. I'm fine with that, maybe some people aren't?09/20/2014 - 5:09pm
SleakerIt also doesn't mean that just because a news outlet says that Gamers are the problem and you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem. It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so.09/20/2014 - 4:59pm
SleakerJust to re-iterate: People getting harassed is wrong. Just because someone is harassed by so called 'gamers' doesn't mean that all gamers are bad. nor does it mean that you need to pass laws or judgement on all gamers.09/20/2014 - 4:56pm
SleakerAnd furthermore just because someone doesn't 'crusade against the evil' that doesn't make them the problem. You can have discussion with those around you. There's a thing called sphere of influence.09/20/2014 - 4:54pm
Sleaker@Conster - one person getting harassed is a 'problem' only so far as the harassee's are doing it. Just because a select few people choose to act like this doesn't make it widespread. Nor does it immediately make everyone responsible to put an end to it.09/20/2014 - 4:54pm
james_fudgeno worries09/20/2014 - 4:15pm
TechnogeekI misread james' comment as "we can't have a debate without threatening" there at first. Actually wound up posting a shout about death threats and "kill yourself" not technically being the same thing before I realized.09/20/2014 - 3:59pm
james_fudgeDon't hit me *cowers behind Andrew*09/20/2014 - 3:20pm
ConsterYou take that back right now, james, or else. *shakes fist menacingly*09/20/2014 - 3:00pm
james_fudgeOur community is awesome. We can have a debate without threatening to kill each other.09/20/2014 - 2:50pm
 

Be Heard - Contact Your Politician