U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also Weigh In

May 20, 2010 -

United States Intellectual Property Enforcement Czar Coordinator Victoria Espinel authored a blog on the White House website to outline some of the public feedback she has received in regards to assembling an IP enforcement strategy.

Espinel, the first to serve in the newly created position, indicated that she discussed the matter with parties from all walks of life:

I sat down with book publishers, movie studios, music companies, and videogame companies, all of whom are faced with widespread problems resulting from internet piracy.  I heard concerns from many other sectors as well: our airplane industry, small manufacturers, automobile industry, steelworkers, textile manufacturers, and biotech, software, and telecommunication companies.

I also sat down with those who want strong defenses and exceptions to intellectual property liability, including academics across the country, or consumer rights organizations.  I met with Internet companies that organize information and help our citizens find out what they want to know about the world today and connect people around the globe, and Internet auction sites that allow consumers to buy what they want at the price they want, all of which are affected by our enforcement efforts.

Espinel also indicated that the public comment process resulted in some “excellent recommendations” on improving the enforcement of intellectual property, “with some of the best ideas coming from the smallest companies. “

The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) sent in its opinion (PDF), in which it labeled online piracy as a “leading concern of our industry,” and urged granting the U.S. Custom and Border Protection (CBP) more power to inspect and seize “circumvention devices” (products that exist to disable or work around protections).

The ESA also vowed to continue to help CBP as much as possible and asked for the ability to donate “hardware, software, equipment and other technologies and support services in order to assist it to identify suspect devices.”

Meanwhile, another public comment on U.S. IP enforcement, sent in by none other than Gordon Freeman (PDF), stated that, “The copyright laws in this country are already outrageous and I will not support any law that wishes to add additional enforcement, or expansion of copyright laws until the current system is fixed.”

Freeman added:

I feel that the government should update its objectives and start looking for ways to work with businesses to adopt a better model that includes the free sharing of ideas (which is what this country is founded on). If that is not possible, then I request that you look for forms of enforcement that do not go against the consumer, and the rights of consumers, such as, but not only, the ability to backup media that you already own.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

In fairness though, plagiarism is the lifeblood of art, composers copy other composers, artists copy other artists. I will admit, however, that those situations are slightly different.

You've also got to take things like satire into account.

The thing is these laws will not simply effect Video Game downloaders, it affects the length and breadth of material produced by Media, a law bought in with good intentions may have entirely unintended effects on other sectors of the market.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

There's a difference between inspiration (or even immitation) and wholesale plagiarism.

How does satire factor into stealing?  I'm not against fair use, I'm against taking stuff that doesn't belong to you.

"...a law bought in with good intentions may have entirely unintended effects on other sectors of the market."

True, as seen with the DMCA.  But still, just because a law infringes on consumer's rights does not give consumers the right to infringe on the rights of others.

 

Andrew Eisen

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"How does satire factor into stealing? I'm not against fair use, I'm against taking stuff that doesn't belong to you."

In a way, that and the 'good intentions' comment are linked, whilst part of copyright law is about theft of IP, piracy is not the only thing this covers, it's a broad spectrum of copyright issues being considered, and it needs to be made certain that something done to prevent problems in one aspect of it doesn't affect an unintended issue.

 

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

The problem is AE the things that are labeled as infringement are normal things people do day in and day out, so you know copyright is so out of date it is nearly incompatible with the modern world.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Example?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

BLooging bout music with lyrics,a clip and a picture. Ones right to commentary,ect is heavily neutered to inanely over protect a CP.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

No it's not.  You are free to blog about a song all you want.  Fair use even allows you to suppliment your blog with sample lyrics or a small portion of the song (17 seconds I hear).  Don't know how you can have a picture of the song though.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Pictures of the artis's and video asshat..... and no the CP owner can claim infriemengment  and the comentry is flushed from exsistance unless the blogger has money to fight in court.  Fair use needs to be less vauge and more on nuetraul.....


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Fair use could be made clearer.  I agree.  It's a shame when stuff is taken down when it's clearly abiding by the fair use rules (as we often see on YouTube) and it sucks when the person accused of infringement doesn't have the resources to defend that use in court if they're being sued.  But you're wrong when you say commentary would be taken down.  In this example, it's your blog (assuming you're hosting it yourself).  It's up to you to take it down.*

Also, I sincerely doubt any artist is going to bother suing you over a fifteen second clip of a song you reviewed on your blog.  That would be a waste of their time and money.  But hey, it could happen.

So yeah, artists who don't understand (or don't care about) fair use trying to force people lacking the resources to defend themselves to remove content used fairly is uncool to say the least (uncommon as it may or may not be).

But that still doesn't give you the right to steal.

 

Andrew Eisen

*Now, if you're commentary is libel or something, that's a whole different ball of wax.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Thus why fair use needs to look at the monetary flow of the copy right item in question if  its pulling money out of the market enviroment without a license its a crime otherwise its fair use pure and simple.(we need tot ax digital stoge devices and discs and ISP services 10% and make a take down department so minor copyright infremgent clais can be duely processed.)

Most artists are owned in whole are part its not up to them if the fans and critics are sued by the the middle man.

You can't steal thought, and that is what digital copies basically boil down to, however what you can seal is potential profit by selling(or trying to make anything off) unlicensed copies.

 

Next.....


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

You're right, you can't steal thought (not yet anyway).  But video games, movies, and songs are not thoughts.  If you take them without paying for them, you're stealing.

Fair use does not nor should it cover stealing because you can't afford or don't want to pay for something.

 

Andrew Eisen

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What you call media I call thought what you call stealing I call fair use, next.


 

 


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

And you'd be wrong.

Seriously, what you've said is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to justify stealing things you're too cheap and lazy to pay for.  Shame on you.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Its not stealing as the vast magority of those involeved in the creation and distribution of the works have been paid dear, and because you can't comprehend that you think the thought police will ave you from the one leggfed boogyman, hold your blanket tight as they anally rape you looking for imaginary contraband, after all its only fair copyright owners will have he power to do search and seziers without a court order. Its the only way to stop the stealing of of human history and news!!!!1111


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Seriously?  Now it's not stealing because the creative team got paid?  Unbelievable.

What about the publishers who pay the developers to make the games?  They haven't been paid yet.  What about the independent developers who fund their own projects?  They haven't been paid yet.

I still have no idea what you're on about regarding the thought police but it doesn't matter how you justify it, taking something that doesn't belong to you is stealing.

EDIT: Oh wait.  You said earlier that entertainment media is no more than thought so laws criminalizing the theft of said media would be enforced by the "thought police."  Is that it?

If so, that's still crap.  One, entertainment media is not thought.  Two, even if it was, you still wouldn't have the right to steal it.  Three, stolen media is not imaginary.  Four, copyright owners do not have the power to raid your house with or without a court order and no one's suggesting they do or should.    Five, not being able to steal video games and such will not erase or block you from human history or the news.

Maybe I'm just reading you wrong.  If so, try writing coherently.  If not, then that is the stupidest, most illogical, most absurdly paranoid rationalization for stealing I've ever heard.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Damn, that was supposed to be a reply to AE :/

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I think part of the problem was that a lot of these interests made a very bad name for themselves with pre-emptive, or even completely unfounded legal cases, they just made themselves look like bullies.

What with cases of 3-year old children, pensioners and people who didn't even own a computer/internet connection, people know don't trust these organisations to be fair in the assessment, or even accurate in it.

Attempting to paint people who pirate as some kind of scum that was out to destroy the software industry didn't work either, to quote Stephen Fry, "You are not either a software Pirate or a Good Citizen", it's far more complex than that.

I'll freely agree that software piracy is theft, but there are occasions, for example, where I've had to download no-cd cracks to get my software working because my DVD player is getting a bit long in the tooth, and Securom discs are never recognised as original.

Part of the problem with things like that is that, if you rent a DVD Player, and it breaks with age, part of that rental agreement is that the company that rents you the item is responsible for repairing or replacing it, whereas software companies expect you to treat the software as a 'rented' license, and yet, if it breaks you have to go out and pay all over again, this is not 'rental' of a software license, no matter how much companies complain that it is, if that were the case, you should be able to send your old damaged discs back to the manufacturer and be entitled to a replacement, they want the advantages of non-ownership for the consumer without any of the responsibility of it.

It gets worse because of this stupid 'If it's been opened you don't get a refund' morality in retailers.  apparently DRM thus far has been so ineffective, despite the consumer paying millions indirectly for its development that this rule still exists.

This is poosibly why I tend more toward things like Steam and D2D these days, there's certainly copy protection, BUT there's the advantages of rental, the ability to re-download at will, there no physical item to get damaged and have to re-purchase and, despite frequently voiced concerns, if any of these sites went down, they'd have a legal obligation to unlock the software you own to not require the online verification. Not doing so may not effect them, but there would be legal grounds against the games manufacturers, since you have digital proof of purchase, and if that happened, you can be sure that those manufacturers would be doing some pretty hefty leaning of their own with regards to the distributor.

There's also always the matter of user-created content, a good example is The Sims by Maxis/EA, part of the appeal of systems like that are huge databases of user-created content that the company encourages people to upload. This is good, I like the idea, but systems like this could suffer under tighter copyright laws, because who owns the IP of the goods, the company that produced the tool, or the person who made the content? It's (sort of) like saying Black & Decker own the shelf you just put up, but more complex because you need the software to use the content.

My own view is that the 'shelf life' of content is far, far shorter than it used to be, Egosoft remove copy-protection from their new games after the initial interest is sufficiently diminished, this is an excellent idea, my own suggestion would be tougher laws for infringement, but a much, much shorter lifetime to the copyright, but we have Disney to thank for making that nearly impossible.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Even if the software/media industry had to properly warrant their products to work,ect. They will never be able to keep up with the demand of format shifting,ediing,alteration,ect,ect,ect. Basically the minor non commercial infringement that they have tried so hard to make illegal.

 

So by looking at what is in play and what is at stake the best middle ground I have come to is that whatever is copyrighted can not be traded in any shape or form and gain a unlicensed profit(or monetary gain to pay for services,ect) you make it a criminal offense to trade files under a profit attempting flag without a license.

In order to do that you need to exempt educational and informational sites these sites follow strict guidelines and run mostly on fair use. With a caveat for information sites that they do not primary gain visitors and income from the trade of copyrighted files(linking to a file to X Y or Z that gets you a copyrighted item).

 

This would force P2P search sites to become full blown web search engines, but they have to pass a final test in court to be allowed to function as such. Normal people blogging,posting,ect will be mostly ignored no matter how much stuff they trade as long as they do not try to make money out of it(have to show a monetary loss for trading files after a certain amount).

 

Also a site can not run ads and such for pages that share unlicensed copy righted items. With hat said site owners(geocities,youtube,ect,ect) can join a profit shearing guild where ads and such are displayed on pages that share unlicensed items and that profit goes to run the guild and goes back to the copyright owners.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Let’s look at the stealing angle from a different angel how can you steal that which is available everywhere in some shape or form via licensed and free but not inherently illegal venues.

The question should not be taking from the kings land is illegal but rather that the public needs a to be protected from license double dipping by the industry, you say theft of information, education and inspiration (media in general) should be a crime I say it cannot be a crime because everyone is not rich everyone is noble.

 

However I do believe that in order to best balance society you lock down the flow of licensed profit not one penny can be gained for any reason with unlicensed copyrighted goods, no ad revenue no donations no direct sale. If you block the monetary flow between services and the files that bring people to said service guess what more money for the licensed media stream.

People retain their user rights and rights to harmlessly infringe on the great and endless wealth of the media industry as a whole.

But no we cannot have that because people want their endless copy rights and license double dipping and endless parade of stagnate canned media that only the dinosaurs of industry can do so well…..

You can’t stop or end piracy you can augment it you can realize that some of it is not bad that it is harmless and inane to the normal profit flow of things and understand that the flow of money is much more important than the flow of information.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Why do you feel entitled to disposable entertainment you didn't pay for?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

AE

Becuse all media is bits of informaiton/insperation/education why should the world wait becuse we are not in the right region or can not pay?

 

So you are saying that the media industry is sooooooo small and insignificant that it can not handle the free trade of copyrighted items where there is no money exchanged on any level? We are human we live on water,food and sustenance for the soul IE media. The world is large enough to share within reason.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

No, I'm not saying piracy is going to tank the industry.  But as I said earlier, just because it isn't sinking the industry, doesn't justify stealing.  Neither does not having enough money to afford the toys you want.  Nor does living in a country where said toy is not available (import it).

We do not live on media.  It's a luxury and we would survive without it.  If you can't afford it or simply don't want to pay for it, you're not entitled to have it.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Luxury=eye of the beholder, at least when it comes to something as subjective as media(information,inspiration,education).


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

We must be talking about two different things.  I'm talking about video games, movies, music and the like.  All of those things are luxuries.  You are entitled to none of them.  You don't need any of them to survive.

 

Andrew Eisen

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AE

 So the human animail needs no sutanace for the soul no music no story no tales we just need to work to live to live to work...HEIL!!!! WORK FOR LIFE !!! we are...one of....off........uusssssssssssssss!!!!!

 

 

Come on you know better than that the welth and worth of media/information outweighs this small minded copyright nonsense.

 


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Again, entertainment media (or "sustenance of the soul" if you prefer) is not necessary for human survival.  Even if it was, that still would not entitle you to take that which doesn't belong to you.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Again humans are creative creatures who seek out inspiration and peace via media, you can not deny that you can not block all media just cause you have a antiquated business model that stagnates technology and progress!


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Who said anything about blocking media or stifling "inspiration and peace"?  All I'm saying is it's not right to take that which doesn't belong to you.  Even if it did stagnate technology and progress, that still wouldn't make it okay to steal.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

By blocking it to only the nobles who can afford it to to block it from comments and criticism via blogging(because you have to license each clip or picture) is to block it from to great a portion of the populace.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

What?

What do you mean by blocking it?  There's nothing preventing you from commenting on or criticising a video game, movie, or song.  And no, you don't have to "license each clip or picture" to do it.  There is such a thing as fair use.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

AE

Its called money dear , if you do not have it you are blocked from it. I am looking at the world as a whole and seeing media as bits of information,education and inspiration that is more important to the world than ensuring a few extra sales.

 

If you get a chance look to my reply to GRU comment below please.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

No.  Not being able to afford a video game or movie (or simply being unwilling to pay for it) does not entitle you to take it.

I read your reply to GRU and it reads as nothing more than your fantasy of a world where it's legal for you to simply take all the toys you're too cheap and lazy to pay for.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

They are not toys dear they are the life blood of a creative human, you re to small minded and petty to understand this and think you can make your argument based off antiquated and disingenuous ideals. So you know what? Keep wishing and hoping for the thought police because that is the only option we can get by being pro status quo becuse you sure as hell aint getting anything less.....


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I'm a creative, artistic person who needs music and games to survive emotionally and psychologically, but even if you need something to live physically (per your argument) you still wouldn't be allowed to take it without paying or without the owner's consent. Steal a loaf of bread, break into a house for shelter on a wintery night, whatever.

If you truly need your creative lifeblood Zippy, as I do, you can have it. Ideas are as free as the air, take all you like. If you want to paint a bowl of fruit on a table because you have general knowledge that people paint bowls of fruit, go for it. You certainly don't need to illegally download games, movies, music, etc. to get ideas.

This is the pithiest crap I have ever read.

And yes, I know I'm late to the party

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What in the ever-loving hell are you talking about?  Since when did "don't steal" become an antiquated ideal?  How on Earth does disingenuous even remotely describe such a basic moral?  And again, what's this bunk about thought police?

Movies, music, and video games, whether you want to call them toys, entertainment media or the life blood of a creative human, are not things necessary to human survival and you are not entitled to them nor are you justified in stealing them simply because you're too damn cheap and lazy to pay for them.

 

Andrew Eisen

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I will make this as simple as I can, humnas need media to dream and ponder the world around them. And there is no need to cut media off to people that can not pay under certain circumstances.

 

Anything to try and say otherwise is the status quo whitch will only become worse and worse over time. You can not side with copyright as it it is without ensureing the public is well protected from abuse from the indutry.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

And I will make this as simple as I can.  Humans do not need media to dream or ponder the world around us.  We did it fine long before media came about.

And again, one's inability to afford or unwillingness to pay for the stuff they want does not entitle them to simply take it.

 

Andrew Eisen

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AE


We also did well without free though,free speech,freedom of expression and general rights of the people by the people for the people. So you are saying we don't need it we only need to survive on basics of that which we can afford if we can not afford it we should die already since we are taking up space. What a pitiful view of humanity you have dear.....


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Freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of expression.  All wonderful things that we didn't always have and some people still don't have.

But we do not, have not, and should never have the freedom to steal.  If you can't afford a movie or video game, you're not going to die and you're certainly not entitled to simply take it.

 

Andrew Eisen

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just because someone stole your stuff it doesnt give you the right to get a dog that bites the inocent aswell as the guilty.

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Just like the fact that just because a game maker didn't make a demo of said game, or you don't like the price of a game, or you don't like it's DRM, you don't have the right to make an illegal copy of it, either.

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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

If sombody was to come to my house and design an exact copy of my car and they drive that copy away....what the F**k would I care.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Did you make your car?  Did you design every piece of such?  Did you do so with the express intent of manufacturing it for sale?

No?

Then your argument has no basis for comparison.

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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Okay, let's say that you spent 3 years creating a video game and decided to sell it. Instead of people buying it from you, they downloaded it from a file sharing service and played it.

you get no compensation for the enjoyment they received from the game that you made and sought to sell. Sure they didn't hack your servers and copy and then delete the only copy you had. After all they are only making digital copies while the original remains with you.

After all, they are only "stealing" bits and not the 3 years you spent making the game they are enjoying without compensating you.

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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

How can you steal  someones life when they did what they wanted to do, and knew what they were getting into?

 

 


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Ok.

Let me know where you work so I can tell your boss not to pay you.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Again how can you steal from soemone whos already been paid all they can be for the work they have done?

 

You get paid for your work either on a 9 to 5 scale or via royalties which are based off the active profit the IP makes this is more of a gamble than getting paid via the 9 to 5 gig. Either way you are paid by the process in place from what it can legal attain from the public. You wont make more by magically making piracy disapaer. You will get the same amount regardless the state of piracy.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Zippy, you lack the comprehension necessary to understand my argument.

It doesn't matter if the people actually making the game got paid. What matters is if the company that employs them earns enough revenue to compensate for those costs. If people choose to pirate rather than buy, it can have a negative effect on revenue.

The idea that someone should just accept that their 3 year investment should just be allowed to be stolen is quite horrific.

Yes I am a firm believer that 1 pirate copy does not equal 1 lost sale, but there are lost sales in there.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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You just said it! It dose not matter that the people that make it get paid!! Whatever you argument was/is just fell the fuck apart becuse you refuse to relize WTF is going on so you can say your side is someow more sacred and holy and my side.

 

 

Ya know........

http://www.vallentyne.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/thestupiditburns.jpg


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

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????? Yes, that is a great rebuttal to my statement. You really showed me.

I am sorry that the entire meaning of my comment was lost because you decided to take a single line out of context.

You know what they say about not seeing the woods becasue of the trees.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

 
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