UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

August 23, 2010 -

Upset over the ability to play as the Taliban in multiplayer modes of Electronic Arts’ upcoming Medal of Honor game, UK Defense Secretary Liam Fox has called for retailers in that country to forego selling the game.

Fox’s full rant appeared in yesterday’s Sunday Times, which is behind a pay wall, but fortunately CVG (thanks Cheater87) transcribed some of Fox’s thoughts on the game.

After calling the opportunity to play as the Taliban “disgusting,” Fox continued:

It's shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the Taliban.

I am disgusted and angry. It's hard to believe any citizen of our country would wish to buy such a thoroughly un-British game.

I would urge retailers to show their support for our armed forces and ban this tasteless product.

Of course, as CVG notes, British soldiers do not even appear in the game, only U.S. forces. UK retailers have so far indicated no willingness to follow Fox’s prompt.

Additionally, a Department of Media, Culture and Sport spokesperson told CVG that Fox’s comments were the politician's alone and that his call for a ban was not backed by the government.

Electronic Arts described the inclusion of the Taliban thusly:

We give gamers the opportunity to play both sides. Most of us have been doing this since we were seven. If someone's the cop, someone's got to be the robber, someone's got to be the pirate, somebody's got to be the alien. In Medal Of Honor multiplayer, someone has to be the Taliban.


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Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

What an old, uptight, out of touch idiot. Well, the times will move on and relegate him to the dust of history. So, pwn'd biatch!

Anyway, in the end the stirring up of the controversy will help insure that the game sells very well. Just look at  MW2 and "No Russian". MW2 sucked btw.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Whilst I don't agree with his calls for a ban on the game I can understand why he's making the point. He is the Secretary of Defence, it is his job to support the British forces and so he's never going to say anything positive about someone either supporting the enemy or playing as the enemy (which could be seen as a promotion of their activities). He believes that by calling for the game he is supporting the British army and the Allied forces. He's hardly going to promote or praise a game where you can play as the Taliban, is he?

Now isn't in America where you have people moaning about the fact that this game is based on a real current war as well as the playable Taliban effort?

Also I believe Modern Warfare avoided these particular controversies by referring to the Taliban as local militia (or something along those lines). But of course there was the well documented controversy over being able to play a terrorist in "No Russian". So the controversies don't really change.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Either way, that doesn't justify calling for a Ban, whether voluntary or not, if people wish to show their support by not buying the game, then fine, but calling for the removal of choice from the people themselves suggests that they aren't capable of making the decision themselves. Chances are this game has just recieved a whole load of publicity from this complaint. All calling for a ban is doing is saying, 'We're fighting a war out there against Fundamentalists who want to destroy everything that doesn't agree with their worldview, and someone's made a game where you can play them, that doesn't agree with my worldview....destroy it!'

The more interesting question is 'Why Afghanistan? Isn't MOH a WWII game?', and the answer to that is probably more closely related to the media attention 'No Russian' got than the company will admit.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

It's a no win scenario. You either make a period accurate game, or you make a game based in a alternate or fantasy history.

If you as a developer decide to make the period accurate multiplayer game, then sometimes you are going to have to play as the "bad guys," in this case being the Taliban.

So if we are going down this road, lets go ahead and call a spade a spade. These UK Pol guys are actually calling for the end of "period accurate games." And I am of the opinion that if they play this card they have to follow through with "there can also now no longer be any period accurate movies/tv/books" as well. To treat one media differently than another does not "jive" with the way laws are written in both the UK and the US.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Sadly true.  Poor sap is trying to live in 2 dimenional world.   All good and no evil (evil is icky after all). 

Scary thing is if this guy and others like him somehow succeed.  Basically this is an attempt to re-write history.   And badly at that. 

A guote comes to mind.

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" -Winston Churchill

Maybe he and his ilk can step into an alternate dimension where the Unicorns live and the Lion lays down with the Lamb. (Isaiah er something) The rest of us are stuck in reality.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

"It's shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the Taliban."

 

It's multiplayer dude, it's not like you have something to do as a taliban during the solo play.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

if it was a generic terrorist and not alcada they would not complan like this. AT lease I hope they wouldn't.

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Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Fox,

Too soon?  Would it be okay if the war were over?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Yes, too soon. Not even close to 22.3 years yet.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Fox by name....

Seriously though, since the actual department he represents have backed away from him like a guy in a white sheet at a black power rally, whilst it was a stupid thing to say, he's not putting it forward as policy, merely as evidence that he's got no concept of the 'open and free' society he tries so hard to promote...

I've noticed this a lot with politicians, they are elected to represent the people, but most of them are too busy telling people what to think to actually stop and listen to anything coming back the other way, at least, anything that isn't shouted really loud, which mostly tends to be done by the more extreme groups, moderation means polite discussion, Politicians see that as 'something to ignore'.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

If this man is the secretary of defense for his country, then some another country has to invade the UK right now. They don´t stand a chance if they have a moron like him.

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Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

 I'm outraged by the amount of outrage in our society!!

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

"I am disgusted and angry. It's hard to believe any citizen of our country would wish to buy such a thoroughly un-British game."
 

Yes how un-british to play a game that has nothing to do with british. lol. Un-british. Didn't know patriotism was a factor in a moral issue.

"Additionally, a Department of Media, Culture and Sport spokesperson told CVG that Fox’s comments were the politician's alone and that his call for a ban was not backed by the government."

And the government doesn't think it's an issue either. Nice.

 

 

 

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Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

"Yes how un-british to play a game that has nothing to do with british. lol."

Well, the British ARE fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan...

"Un-british. Didn't know patriotism was a factor in a moral issue."

You've really never heard someone say "That's un-American" in reference to something they felt was immoral?

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

I;ve heard it too often, even referring to completely American acts, like questioning government.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

The game was rated 18 by the BBFC and I'm sure PEGI. That is good enough for me it allows adults to buy it and people who are under 18 have to have parental concent.

 

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

I don 't see anyone complaining about letting you play brown terrorists in Counter Strike Source. Plus I don't think Medal of Honor allows access to aircraft.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

I was about to say something similar with regards to Call of Duty 4. I cannot recall anyone decrying the game because you could play as OpFor in multiplayer.

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Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Just had to come back and clarify this one: People did get into a hissy fit over Modern Warfare 2's (optional) airport scene (http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/10/28/leaked-modern-warfare-2-footage-s...), but no one said a DARN thing about 4's being able to play as terrorist in multiplayer, nor being nuked. That's right. Nuked. You tell me what other game has had you nuked as you fly away in a chopper to what seemed (at the time) like safety, and crawl to your own death? I don't think any other game holds that distinction.

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Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

I also wonder if he puts as much effort into decrying the many... many games where you can play as a WWII German soldier.... or for that matter, French soldiers... or Vikings... or Romans... come to think of it, the British had their own rather nasty period in history... so games that you get to play as a Brit must be disgusting too....

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”


"come to think of it, the British had their own rather nasty period in history... so games that you get to play as a Brit must be disgusting too...."

 

You know I want to see how he react to a game where:

-you play as a British soldier in a fictional British-French war and your British character can torture French civilians and rape French women (Which I know such game like this wouldn't be made).

-you play as a British slave trader and you beat up black slaves

 

Also, if I show him the anime Code Geass and he see Britania (alternate version of the British empire) is portrayed.  I wonder how he would react.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Well, he's a conservative, he probably thinks they should be throwing spears...

This unfortunately is what happens when you put Eton graduates into the Government of a country where only the minutest, most fortunate percentage are sent to Eton, they might have the Educational backing, but they're also pretty much out of touch with about 80% of reality.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Well, he's a conservative, he probably thinks they should be throwing spears...

This unfortunately is what happens when you put Eton graduates into the Government of a country where only the minutest, most fortunate percentage are sent to Eton, they might have the Educational backing, but they're also pretty much out of touch with about 80% of reality.

I fail to see what any of this has to do with the article. Apart from your diatribe about Eton you might like to know that Liam Fox grew up in a council house and went to a state school.

You're moaning about someone spouting nonsense, I think you had best got your facts before posting some bigoted statement.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

Maybe, before you go on a spree, you might want to consider learning to spot satire and sarcasm, it's quite common, particularly here in the UK, or did you actually think that Conservatives would expect them to throw spears?

But then, of course, you just love jumping to derogatory conclusions about people yourself, so I suppose you assume everyone else does it too.

Seriously, get the stick out, it'll do damage if it goes in any further...

Edit: Oh, and for the record, yes, I did know that Liam Fox didn't go to Eton, I've met the man, he's famous for being pretty much the only member of the cabinet who didn't go to Eton. It's just a pity my point sailed clear over your head.

Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

You may want to note for future reference that sarcasm is not easily detected on the internet as all we can see is chat and interpret it in the manner it is outlayed. That said, your comment was rather immature, as was your subsequent response.

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Re: UK Pol Calls for MOH Ban, Labels Game “Disgusting”

I could understand if an American missed the point of my post, seeing as the whole point of it is the first person to leap up and start wanting a ban of something is just about the only member of the Cabinet that didn't go to Eton, but in this case, the response came from someone from my own country, who should know better.

Secondly, to be honest, considering that very person started hurling insults at me because he didn't get the joke, I think we really need to pause and consider (a) why State felt the need to launch an insult ridden attack and (b) why you are getting involved. Considering the levels of immaturity that can reach this board, a little satire is nothing whatsoever to worry about, so if you don't like the comment, don't reply to it, but if you are going to start generalising about a post that generalises about a post that was a satire of how stupid it is to make generalised statements, then I'm sorry, but you've completely missed the point...

 
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