A California Video Game Law TV Debate

September 16, 2010 -

Los Angeles TV station Fox LA 11 recently did a segment on California's law on violent video games featuring a debate between Gerry Block (IGN and G4TV contributor) and Michele MacNeal, Director of the California Chapter of the Parents Television Council.

While the debate is fairly tame and both participants are clearly nervous about being on TV, the "video game guy" does a good job of being articulate. Check out the video and judge for yourselves.

Source: Fox LA

 


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Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

Wow... she actually pulled the 'first ammendment? but we voted for this!' argument.

Still, this guy has to be one of the best spoken and articulate pro-game interviewies I have seen in a while.

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What happened? A FOX affiliate allowed an actual debate? They're not supposed to do that! The proper form of "debate", per FOX rules, is to set up a strawman for a one-sided rant about violent pornographic games like Mass Effect!

Won't somebody think of the ratings.. er, children?!

 

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

I'm not that surprised, actually. In debates shown on my local Fox affiliate (Fox 5 Atlanta), the news anchors aren't afraid to play hardball to either side.

All in all, I think the problem lies less with the local affiliates and much, much more with Fox News Channel and the higher-ups at News Corporation.

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

Let's not shake a fist angrily at them when they are doing right. This isn't the first time FOX has actually reported on something and done a decent job in regards to video games. When a lady was complaining about the Taliban being in the new MoH game, the FOX reporter basically grilled her over it with 'Why is this different than other war games?", "This is literally nothing different but a coat of paint, so why the outrage?", and other such questions.

Just saying, when they do something right, they should be encouraged to do so more frequently.

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And for those 6% of transactions saw the employee getting fired on the spot when the government released that report.  Gamestop takes that whole thing very very seriously.  So I'm told, they pay for their own secret shoppers to check on their employees.

 

Also, that 36% that Michele mentioned was the overall average across all retailers.  Stores like Gamestop and best buy have the lowest rates of success for underage shoppers and the harshest penalties for the employees that get caught.

 

TL;DR: The Industry alread does a good job of regulating itself.  Fix the sections that are falling behind and spend government time on more pertinent issues.

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"The law aimed at cracking down on games like Halo and Cop Killer..."

Um, did we just make up a game there?

"But the voters voted for this law!"

Yeah, the voters voted to pass Prop 8 too.  What's your point?

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Andrew Eisen

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate(The VG guy won)

=="But the voters voted for this law!"

Yeah, the voters voted to pass Prop 8 too.  What's your point?==

The PTC motard really said that? Well, she's lying, but that's typical of the Parent Trash Cult. The voters never voted for Yee's piece of shit "law". The motards California calls their Assemblymen and Senators voted for that "law"(after Yee got an illegal substitution of Assemblymen to get his pride and joy out of committee in the first place). There's a huge difference there, lady.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate(The VG guy won)

Heh, good catch.  That didn't even cross my mind and I live in California.  Oops.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

Yeah, I have no idea where Cop Killer came from. That is the first I have heard of it.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

Ice-T.

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

Articulate or not, the "video game guy" could do with a hairstyle makeover if he's interested in being taken seriously.

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Very true. From a "concerned citizen" standpoint, his hairdo is a bit off putting. But if anyone is willing to listen to his points they will be quite surprised.

What I found interesting about this debate is the percentages they both presented. The game guy brought up the FTC study that showed a 20% failure rate, while the PTC person brought up their own internal study that showed 30 something percent failure rate of enforcement. While the numbers aren't that far from eachother, she made it out to be the end of the world.

Yet, I still can't get over the fact that the PTC lady admitted that it is the parents job to monitor their kids media and that is why the government should step in and make it illegal to sell violent games to minors.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

I'd still love to know how old these mystery shoppers are.  If they're 15 and 16, I'm not impressed with her numbers.

Also, giving a kid money and a ride to a game store with specific instructions to pick up a particular title is not a very accurate reflection of the realities of M rated game purchases by minors.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: A California Video Game Law TV Debate

If I recall correctly, the main flaw in their methodology is they usually had an adult standing only a foot or two away from the child paying attention to them, so employies (correctly) assumed the adult was with the kid and concenting to the purchace.

So essentially they used flawed methods to get a result closer to what they were hoping for.

 
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Andrew EisenAs far as examples that could be culled from female game characters though, that one's pretty mild.02/26/2015 - 9:11pm
Andrew EisenNot as much the heels or the suit in and of themselves but certainly the way her animations repeatedly break her anatomy to show off her lady bits.02/26/2015 - 9:10pm
E. Zachary KnightWell, Samus's heels are certainly impracticable, but I wouldn't really call her Zero suit objectified. I don't really feel that the new Lara Croft is objectified either, but that is my subjective opinion.02/26/2015 - 9:08pm
Andrew EisenTomb Raider: No but we haven't seen much of anything yet. Samus: Yes.02/26/2015 - 9:07pm
ZippyDSMleeWould you call the new tomb raider objectified? WOuld Samus Aran from the new Smash bros be objectified?02/26/2015 - 9:02pm
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Andrew EisenSmurfette is not subjective. If there's more than one female character, it's not Smurfette. Anyway, as with everything on the list, Smurfette is, in and of itself, not necessarily a bad thing.02/26/2015 - 8:32pm
Andrew EisenI think there's 5 women (out of 15, I think) but other than one being a bit more "hippy" than the others, they pretty much all have the same body type. Especially when compaired to the huge variety of male body types.02/26/2015 - 8:31pm
Wonderkarpso I dont see Smurfette as a bad thing. Unless like all your female characters are Smurfette. remember the Smurfs also had Sassette02/26/2015 - 8:29pm
E. Zachary KnightOne good example of the larger issues is one Anita used in the presentation, Blizzard's Overwatch game. There are a dozen men in the game with a dozen body types. But there are only 4 women with 2 body types, but 3 of them have the same one.02/26/2015 - 8:28pm
Wonderkarpthe smurfette thing is subjective to how many female characters you have. Take Sonic for example. You have Amy, who is obvious smurfette, but there's several other female characters now without that. Including the original animated seriescomics with Sally02/26/2015 - 8:28pm
E. Zachary KnightAE. Very true. I think that is where I was going, but it didn't come out right. Jack Harkness is sexy but not objectified. Whereas, a women would have to be objectified in order to be "sexy" in most games.02/26/2015 - 8:26pm
E. Zachary KnightAnd as Andrew pointed out, there is a big difference between a sexualized man, and an idealized man. But for some reason, there is no distinction between women in games. For the most part.02/26/2015 - 8:25pm
Andrew EisenI think one of the issues we run into repeatedly with these conversations is the confusion over "sexy" and "sexually objectified."02/26/2015 - 8:24pm
E. Zachary KnightYet, for some reason, in orde rto have a sexualized women, she must be wearing lingerie or a bikini. Can't women be sexual and still dress for the job at hand?02/26/2015 - 8:24pm
E. Zachary KnightThe problem I have with complaints of "sexualized men" is that men don't have to wear speedos to be sexualized. Captain Jack Harkness from Torchwood/Doctor Who, was one sexy man, but he spent 99% of his time in a WW2 soldier's trenchcoat.02/26/2015 - 8:23pm
Andrew EisenThat there's more to her character than her sexualization? Sure (depending on which depiction we're talking about). No one's claiming that there are zero examples of female characters beyond their sexualization.02/26/2015 - 8:22pm
Andrew EisenSexy? In some ways, sure. Sexualized? No.02/26/2015 - 8:21pm
WonderkarpI'll say the same thing about Catwoman that you said about Dante.02/26/2015 - 8:21pm
 

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