Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

September 18, 2010 -

The Legal Times reports that the states supporting the video game industry's side of the Supreme Court fight include Utah, Rhode Island, Oklahoma, Washington, Georgia, Arkansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Carolina, and the wonderful territory of Puerto Rico. You can grab that brief here (Thanks again to our Shoutbox hero BearDogg-X).

The brief was written by Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch and supported by Irell & Manella in Los Angeles. The main argument of states supporting the industry is that the California law is an overreach, against First Amendment freedom, and puts an undue burden on law enforcement, who have better things to do. The brief also points out that the law opens up the possibility of criminals using the defense "video games made me do it."

The blog points out that both Lynch and Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff received campaign contributions from the Entertainment Software Association. The point has been noted elsewhere, but this particular blog likes to report on lobbyists efforts.

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Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

Utah? Why do I get the feelign the Eagler Forum's monarhc might be packing up and moving soon?

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I love the disconect between goverment and the public..... this is why lobbying should be baned and they should not be paid much more than minuim wage they are not noblity and should not be treated as it, rather they get meals,houseing and secuirty more like public houseing mixed with high secuirty..... unless they want to pay for thier own houseing....


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Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

 Y'know of all the reasons to strike down these laws, i honestly didn't think about the law making it possible for the "video games made me do it defense". It actually does make sense. I mean this law is setting all kinds of precedence, one of which is the idea that video games ARE harmful to minors. If the supreme court rules in favor with this law they will be ruling that video games are harmful and can influence people's actions. As such, criminals may have the opening to bring up their video game playing habits as a way to claim that they did not have full control over their actions in an effort to reduce their sentences. 

Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

In reading the Salt Lake Tribune article linked in GP's story listing the amicus briefs, the "Common Sense" Media moron Jim Steyer had the nerve to call Mark Shurtleff's claims of more "Video Games made me do it" defenses "laughable at best".

Has that motard Steyer been following the news for the last several years when a certain disbarred attorney from Florida was hoping that his 15 minutes of fame clock was stuck at 14:59 to gain infamy off that very claim?

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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 Yes I noticed that aswell, instead of actually ADDRESSING Shurtleff's concerns he just flat out dismisses it and claims he's just being bought out by the industry; he makes absolutely no attempt to prove Shurtleff wrong. Though i guess that is why Steyer isn't a LAWYER; he's got no sense for laws and just does what FEELS right without taking into account the full effect of the legal consequences. 

And really that's a big reason why so many of these laws pop up only to be struck down... because those making these laws are doing what feels right, but never bother to address the very real legit concerns that the opponents bring up; and these concerns likely play a big role in getting the laws struck down in court, since unlike the backers of these laws the court DOES take those legit concerns into account and REQUIRE a proper answer. 

Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

Actually, Steyer is a lawyer. His bio on CSM says he was a former prosecutor, and he teaches constitutional law at Stanford. He just hasn't been an active member of the bar for some time.

Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

 I see my mistake then. I did try to quickly look up some info but all i got was that he was the ceo of CSM and a consulting professor at Stanford; apparently i didn't look hard enough. Though granted, he wouldn't be the first lawyer to place himself on the wrong side of this debate

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Well the irony is that the entire premise of these laws is that playing violent video games will make youth do horrible things...then to turn around and say the concept of a defense based on this premise is "laughable at best" is an incredible about face.

 

Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

Out of curiosity have any of those states tried to lure the game industry to thme with tax breaks or other such things?

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Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

Utah - Home of an EA studio and recently tried to pass legislation restricting game sales

Rhode Island - Is trying to lure 38 Studios with a giant loan.

Oklahoma - Passed legislation that restricted sales of video games that wsa ruled unconstitutional. Has had a bill on record to provide tax incentives to game developers that has yet to make it to vote.

Washington - Home of Microsoft.

Georgia - Has game developer Tax incentives, home to a number of developers.

Not to sure about the rest. A google search might clear it up.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Nine States Support Video Game Industry in SCOTUS Battle

Washington - also had a law restricting sales to minors ruled unconstitutional(the first state to pass a law, even).

Georgia - AG Thurbert Baker also received campaign contributions from the ESA.

South Carolina - AG Henry McMaster has an ESRB Awareness PSA on his website.

Edit: Nebraska - AG Jon Bruning did an ESRB Awareness PSA as well.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

 
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E. Zachary KnightYet, for some reason, in orde rto have a sexualized women, she must be wearing lingerie or a bikini. Can't women be sexual and still dress for the job at hand?02/26/2015 - 8:24pm
E. Zachary KnightThe problem I have with complaints of "sexualized men" is that men don't have to wear speedos to be sexualized. Captain Jack Harkness from Torchwood/Doctor Who, was one sexy man, but he spent 99% of his time in a WW2 soldier's trenchcoat.02/26/2015 - 8:23pm
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Andrew EisenSexy? In some ways, sure. Sexualized? No.02/26/2015 - 8:21pm
WonderkarpI'll say the same thing about Catwoman that you said about Dante.02/26/2015 - 8:21pm
Andrew EisenWhich has nothing to do with sexualization.02/26/2015 - 8:20pm
Wonderkarpbig muscle mc shirtless? Ironic since the Spartan Army, in which he was a part of, is infamous for its Homosexuality02/26/2015 - 8:20pm
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Andrew EisenOf course men get sexualized, just with nowhere near the frequency of female characters.02/26/2015 - 8:17pm
Andrew EisenMaybe she did talk about WoW. Who knows what other examples she provided?02/26/2015 - 8:16pm
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