Another Eagle Forum Member Makes Case Against Violent Games

September 27, 2010 -

Over the past month, the “pro-family” Eagle Forum attempted (and failed) to lobby Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff into supporting the California side of Schwarzenegger v. EMA, while its founder, Phyllis Schlafly, scribbled out a withering column on the “evil products” and “highly disturbing”  content emerging from the videogame industry. Now another Eagle Forum member is attempting to pin the group’s anti-videogame stance on protecting children.

Dalane England, a Vice President of the Utah chapter of the Eagle Forum, and a “Bountiful mother,” was the subject of an interview appearing on the Davis County Clipper website.  England was quick to say that her group does not want to ban anything, stating:

We are not about banning anything. We would not do that. People have the right to buy what they want to buy, and parents have the right to buy for their children what they wish. We are asking for legislation that would be similar to a California law that makes it necessary for parents to purchase those questionable video games.

She believes that at least some violent content in games is out of the reach of parents attempting to preview a game, in that they are not skilled or diligent enough to play a title long enough to reach such content.

As part of their lobbying efforts, England and the Eagle Forum presented politicians with some of the violent videogame imagery they are fighting against. She recounted the reaction of politicians:

It was so awful that some of the politicians became upset with us because they had witnessed pornography and horrible violence. They were offended and we were not looking to offend anyone but it was extremely important that our local politicians completely understand what parents are up against.

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Re: Another Eagle Forum Member Makes Case Against Violent ...

Play a game for an hour. If you can get past the intro level and get the plot rolling you will have a solid idea as to the how much the game offends you.

It is as simple as that. Or you can go to YouTube, Vimeo, GameTrailers or any other dozen sites and look up the game and they will tell you in explicit detail the contents of the game.

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Hey, does anyone here know what "Yoff" means? (As a verb, apparently). I've never heard that before...

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"We are not about banning anything. We would not do that. People have the right to buy what they want to buy, and parents have the right to buy for their children what they wish. We are asking for legislation that would be similar to a California law that makes it necessary for parents to purchase those questionable video games."

 

So people can buy what they want excspet children? When did children stop being people?

If you are 13 or 15 you can play a video game, Hell at that age you see worse on the news.. Funny how these people talk about american freedom yet they do all they can to take freedoms away from others. Most of the times its kids that get hit.

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Well, according to the bible, children are less 'people' and more 'property', kinda like women.

Scary thing is, there was a time where censorship was gender based, and again it tended to be christian morality (as opposed to christian groups in general) groups that felt it was important to enshine in laws that women should not have access to 'objectionable' material.  When they could not convice the government to do it, they convinced private companies to 'show restraint'.

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So you believe in censorship to protect the masses since they can somewhat be uneducated to understand that fiction is fiction, yes?

I believe that at least some violent content in games is out of the reach of parents

So you are for censorship of content to be chosen at random by say a human equality board who not only goes above and beyond courts to fret out "bullying" and or "pessimistic" adults and employers you also want to censor what adults buy. Well...that is amazing to think humanity has come this far so slowly.... only to go back to burning of content that the chosen ones hate....


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Can we go back to burning people whom the chosen ones hate? At a stake in the town square for all to see? That'd be sooooo cool.

And I'm gonna give you half a gold star for using the idiom "ferret out." Impressive. You coulda had a full gold star if you hadn't spelled it wrong. 

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Um JDKJ that is The Zippy.  His misspellings are strokes of (evil) genius.   I have come to think of it as a natural law. 

Hmm public burning at the stake?   Talk about Carbon credits (lol).  Still that is an idea.   Me, I have urged the idea of public crucifiction for years.  You know, put up a large stainless or surgical steel (get the feeling it would see much usage so want a material that is good for repeats and easy to clean) cross in the main business area of cities and some permanently mounted cameras.   Guess hanging would work too.  Anything to remove the "wrong" people. 

 

Re: Another Eagle Forum Member Makes Case Against Violent ...

Tell me about it. If I live to be 100, I'll still be remembering the time he came up with "manase."

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And, according to England, it can be extremely difficult for parents playing the game to even reach the levels where the most offensive material takes place.

“Most parents are not capable of reaching those levels where the real violent and sexual material is,” England said. “So some parents may think they have seen the game but they haven’t seen what is really on the game.”


That is almost as absurd as Yee's "800 hours" BS.
 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Another Eagle Forum Member Makes Case Against Violent ...

 Parents can easily (1) go to the ESRB web site and read the description of the game that tells them exactly what sort of content it contains or (2) go to web sites like gametrailers.com and watch a video review for 10 minutes to see what type of content it contains.  Neither method takes any gaming skill on behalf of the parents and both are easily accessible to even the least computer savvy parent.  

Re: Another Eagle Forum Member Makes Case Against Violent ...

 Not to mention that thanks to youtube, the more popular games will have user made video walkthroughs/Let's plays... sure these are not technically reliable, but god forbid parents might do a damn internet search

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"We are asking for legislation that would be similar to a California law that makes it necessary for parents to purchase those questionable video games."

It already is in almosty every single store that deals in such media.

I guess she's fine with kid's being able to buy Wolf Creek or Saw 4 with no problems.

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Are you suggesting the Eagle Forum has never attacked violent movies?  Really?

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I don't know if they have or haven't.

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Of course shes OK with that movies are not works of Satan. :P

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Oh but you ARE banning things. Just about all big box stores in America DO NOT SELL adult mediums. So this would be blacklisting games from sale on an adult rating.

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This is why they love faux-capitalism so much.  Dealing with large companies is a lot like dealing with dictators.. you just have to make deals with a few powerful people and skip that annoying 'democracy' or 'legal system' thing... all while claiming to love freedom and how wonderful it is that the government does not interfere... all while brushing over the fact that suffiently large corperations are effectivly landless states unto themselves.

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We're all aware of the argument, but I think M-rated games would be a special case here.  I don't think Wal-Mart and Target are going to stop a lucrative business, especially given that it wouldn't require any difference in their existing store policy.

I still think it's a terrible law, but I'm just not buying the claim that big box stores will quit stocking M-rated games.

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We will just have to see how this whole thing plays out.

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They might and they might not. However I won't be surprised if they're forced into stoping thanks to sting operations and secret shopper stings instigated by the likes of the PTC adn the Eagle Forum.

The issue with laws like this is that the peopel who want said law will go out of their way to bust retailers on violations.

Not to mention enforcement. Police departments are already underfunded and overworked as is.

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"However I won't be surprised if they're forced into stoping thanks to sting operations and secret shopper stings instigated by the likes of the PTC adn the Eagle Forum."

But the stings would have to be SUCCESSFUL to hurt the retailers.  As we saw two weeks ago, it's harder for kids to buy M-rated games than R-rated movies.

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Won't stop them from lying about the results.

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I hate the state journalism has degraded to at this point. Hey Scott Schulte, how about asking her to name the politicians that were became so upset and the video game that supposedly contained this pornography and horrible violence.  Because, although I don't believe she is outright lying, I am pretty sure she is bending the truth quite a bit.

 

 

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Yep, bending it like a bloody Gordian Knot she is. It's what they do.

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Re: Another Eagle Forum Member Makes Case Against Violent ...

We are not about banning anything. We would not do that. People have the right to buy what they want to buy, and parents have the right to buy for their children what they wish. We are asking for legislation that would be similar to a California law that makes it necessary for parents to purchase those questionable video games.

If this is what Ms. England really thinks that California's law provides, then in addition to being a "bountiful mother," she's also one dumb mother (and I ain't talking in the strict maternal sense, either).

EZK, I assume that it's some sort of LDS-speak and you know much better of those things than I, so tell me, please: what exactly is this "bountiful mother" thing she's talking about? 

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I have no idea. I think it is some Utah LDS speak. Probably something conceited about the number of kids or the "quality" of parenting.

EDIT: Just read the context of the term and it looks more like it is in regards to her place of residence. There is a city in Utah named Bountiful.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Another Eagle Forum Member Makes Case Against Violent ...

Ahhh, Nice, guy. Thanks. I would have started down that trail if I hadn't so quickly discounted the upper-case "B" as just another GP typo.

I guess that in Bountiful, Utah they don't have child endangerment or contribution laws. Because there's a real strong case to be made that, should California's law be upheld, any adult who provides these "questionable" videogames to a minor in California is guilty of child endangerment and/or contributing to the delinquency of a minor. As is the case for cigarettes, alcohol, pornography and other minor-restricted products.  

 
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