Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

September 28, 2010 -

The decision by Utah Attorney-General Mark Shurtleff to support the game industry side of Schwarzenegger vs. EMA has made him a target in the Beehive State.

The latest person to bash Shurtleff is the failed politician, and Utah’s “common sense conservative” Cherilyn Eagar. Eagar, who was running for Senator in the state as a Republican—and against Shurtleff, before he withdrew from the race—but did not make the final run-off, took to her blog to bash Shurtleff’s decision to oppose the California law.

In the article, entitled “Children Must be Protected from Video Games,” Eagar writes that Shurtleff’s rationale in backing of the game industry could be adapted in order to “logically argue that it is free speech to allow minors to purchase cigarettes or drugs.”

After all, isn’t freedom of expression a type of speech?  Because of this irrational thinking that donimates (sic) law schools and legal decision-making, Utah is now sadly one of only 10 states on record favoring the sale of harmful materials to minors as the case proceeds to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Eagar goes on to attempt to cite research to back her claims of the impact of violent games on kids, then plays her trump card by embedding a pair of YouTube videos entitled Violent Video Games (Blood and Gore) and Most Violent Video Game Executions (Manhunt HD), but only after warning that the material is “not suitable for children and may not be suitable for you either.”

After the videos, Eagar writes:

If you are among those who did not have an intensely nauseated feeling or a repulsed emotional reaction to viewing this violence, then most likely you have already been desensitized by the violence you have been viewing in your media choices over time.

Eagar then hits her stride:

If parents believe it is beneficial for their children to learn eye-hand coordination by controlling the joy sticks that teach them how to viciously vivisect and decapitate prostitutes with chain saws or how to sodomize their victims with broom sticks; if they believe it’s good sport to allow their children to terrorize victims by pushing them toward large rotating saws, controlling the torture time and agonizing reactions before being sliced in half; and if they believe their children will sleep better at night by controlling large drills that bore holes through heads or meat hooks that rip through abdomens while delighting in the victims’ horrified reactions to their guts spilling out, I would question parental judgment, but that is their prerogative.

After mentioning Shurtleff’s earlier “excellent work” in protecting kids from pornography, Eagar notes the $3,000 ESA campaign contribution the attorney general received and offers that “One might reasonably conclude a definite cause and effect between Mr. Shurtleff, ESA and his current position on images children watch.”

Eagar urged Shurtleff to withdraw his support of the game industry, saying that he “is misrepresenting the People.  And the children.”

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Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

You pretty much took the words right out of my mouth Erik. My point was that it now seems typical for the conservatives to rail against anything they deem immoral. They push for smaller government only when they can't use it to control the lives of others.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

I also enjoy the fact that:

Over the past 30 years more than 3,000 peer-reviewed scientific studies have been conducted, each conclusively documenting the negative effects of violence on screen and in video games.

Going by that, a new study detailing the how video games and screens are killing the childrens would come out every 4 days. I'm eagerly awaiting this Friday's study.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

I noticed that one, too. I'm entirely convinced that math ain't this woman's strong suit.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Eagar notes the $3,000 ESA campaign contribution the attorney general received and offers that “One might reasonably conclude a definite cause and effect between Mr. Shurtleff, ESA and his current position on images children watch.”

Like $3k is going to make much difference?   Wonder how closely she bothered looking at any other donations recieved.  Her logic seems to be that the gaming community bought him off.  Basically she is accusing him of taking bribes. 

Also the very last part is Very open ended.  Images children watch.  Is she going after movies, magazines and such yet again?   Could (almost) pity her, poor thing.  Its her against the world because the world is wrong and she is the only one that is right. 

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

I posted a polite rebuttal comment with cited sources.... ABOUT 5 HOURS AGO, and it's aparently still "awaiting moderation."

And I notice that the only comments that are getting posted are the ones that agree with her.

Anyone else try to post a comment and aparently get blocked?

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

If that can reassure you, I rechecked her blog and only a single comment agree with the entirety with the article. Even "concerned parents" saw the flaws.

Shows that parents aren't that thick.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

"All lies and jest. Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

Then again, what were you expecting? They don't want an opposing view. The facts stand for themselves.

I just see this as a collary of the John Gabriel's Greater Internet ****wad Theory. You have a person who has minor celebrity, give them a pedastal, and they will say whatever they can to get an audience. If anyone disagrees with them, they will either be censored, ignored, or marginalized.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Guy, that one of my all time favorite songs!! "Di-da-di. Di-da-di-di-da-di-di. Di-da-di. Di-da-di-di-di-di-di-di-da-dada-dada-di."

"Seeking only workman's wages, I come looking for a job, but I get no offers, just a come-on from the whores on Seventh Avenue. I do declare there were times when I was so lonesome I took some comfort there, di-da-di . . . ."

Bad-ass.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Yeha, my comment has been sitting in moderation limbo since about 9 this morning. I love selective moderation.

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Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Did you notice that in the photograph on her blog she's got the Sarah Palin Bumpit hairstyle?

Not only is the woman not particularly bright, she isn't particularly original.

And a word of advice, Ms. Eagar: that Sarah Palin Bumpit hairstyle isn't flattering you. It's only emphasizing your Sarah Jessica Parker-like face -- which looks more like a foot than a face. 

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

"Free speech" doesn't mean "free to speak." Not when it's my blog and you disagree with me.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Though the argument we call upon when defending video games is that of free speech - and a pretty sound argument it is - I have to wonder who actually plays the games these naysayers describe?

I mean, yes, I have played about an hour of Postal 2, finished the first Manhunt and played several hours of each iteration of Grand Theft Auto, but what, really, is the marketshare for a game with this stuff in it?

"If parents believe it is beneficial for their children to learn eye-hand coordination by controlling the joy sticks that teach them how to viciously vivisect and decapitate prostitutes with chain saws or how to sodomize their victims with broom sticks; if they believe it’s good sport to allow their children to terrorize victims by pushing them toward large rotating saws, controlling the torture time and agonizing reactions before being sliced in half; and if they believe their children will sleep better at night by controlling large drills that bore holes through heads or meat hooks that rip through abdomens while delighting in the victims’ horrified reactions to their guts spilling out, I would question parental judgment, but that is their prerogative."

I can only assume that she's describing Manhunt 2 and a small part of any Grand Theft Auto. I can't very much say I absolutely "delight" in many of the gruesome things she describes, but even if I did, I would surely just be in a small subset of very disturbed people.

Most gamers who enjoy violent games of any kind don't really enjoy killing things for the sake of killing things: we kill them because there's a goal in mind or a threat to one's person. Most often, games that have violence simply have antagonists who want to kill you. Perhaps it is just an excuse for some to get virtual blood on their hands, but the rest of us partake because something else in the game is a driving force, such as an engaging story, a dramatic conflict or a challenge to one's reflexes and skills.

The same could be said of American football, our most beloved sport. Some people play to be physically fit; others play to win; still others just want to have a good time with friends. Very few, yet enough not to go unnoticed, want an excuse to hit people. Well, we can't have a game in which our children delight in banging their heads together, tackling other kids to the ground and chanting "KILL! KILL! KILL!", now can we?

Oh, wait: we freaking idolize that game that has brought us aggression, physical violence, serious injury and death, yet somehow putting a controller in a kid's hands and showing them pictures of blood will make them killers, is that right?

Hey, for a select few, it just might. But it's not like we didn't warn you.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

This is what I wrote on her blog: 

 
I have played video games since I was about 5, many were violent. I do not shoot up schools, do not torture people and have recently become a vegetarian because I respect animals and their right to live. I do not believe myself to be desensitized by violent games. I actually find it very shallow minded to say that if someone does not agree with your sense of horror, that they are simply desensitized and unable to think logically about this issue. That is like saying anyone who supports welfare is a poor and lazy person. I also strongly disagree with your position on video game censorship because, as history has taught us with jazz music, dancing, comic books and other forms of media or entertainment, people who do not experience said forms of entertainment often fear them. There is no true scientific proof that violent video games cause violent behavior and that is why laws trying to restrict the sales of video games are constantly turned down. Also the fact that they are considered unconstitutional. Also, kids can not just go into a store and buy any game they want because of the rating system. Thank you for reading this.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

"This is not a matter of “free speech” but rather an ethical and moral societal decision"

Straight from the (metaphorical) horse's mouth. She admits to trying to use the law to impose her personal ethical and moral beliefs on others. This is exactly the kind of thing our founding fathers and the Bill of Rights tries to protect against. This is one of many reason why America had it's fight for independence in the first place. You are free to say you are offended by violent video games, you are free to assume (wrongfully) that all video games are "ultra-violent". But when you start trying to pass laws and legislation to restrict them because you have an "ethical and moral" objection to them, you're crossing a line that should never be crossed.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

I find it just a tiny bit amusing that at least half of the clips in the "Blood and Gore" video are things that are done to you rather than by you.

I also appreciated the walk down memory lane and the reminder of just how many ways Leon can die.

In all seriousness (and preach to the choir-ness) though, not one of those games are aimed at children so - to anyone with their brain switch set to on - that should invalidate the author's whole argument.  But, alas, that is not the case.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

I took the time to visit Ms. Eagar's blog and read her article. I'm kinda not regretful that I did. I left being overwhelming impressed . . . . . . that so much ignorance could be housed in one human's brain.

To cite but one example from among many instances, Ms. Eagar states that "Alexander Pope, a contemporary poet to the Founding of America, once penned these immortal words, blah, blah, blah, blah."

It is common knowledge that the founding of America dates back to 1776. It is also common knowledge that Alexander Pope was dead and no doubt decomposing in 1744. I'm no math genius, but what little math skills I do possess suggests to me that, entirely contrary to Ms. Eagar's assertion , it is impossible for Pope to have been a "contemporary poet to the Founding of America" as his death preceeded that event by close to thirty-two years.

I'm sending Ms. Eagar a dunce cap. I'm sure she'll wear it well.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Is it any surprise at all that she's conservative?

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

You really have to make it about Conservative verse Liberal?   Why not just say because of gender or race or some other shallow idea?   Stop with the racial BS please. 

I am a conservative (not big secret to any long time posting types here) and disagree with her.   Mind you I will give her her due for having her arguements, as narrow and slanted as they are.   Just as I would give you due respect if you had a good arguement, barring that then No.  

Gotta wonder though, any reason she was not not elected you think?  Maybe?  =^.^=

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Conservative nor liberal are races.

That being said I do always think is sort of funny how conservatives always harp on their desire for a smaller government then push for this sort of control over people.  So I've come to the conclusion that when conservatives say that they want a smaller government, that they only mean that they don't want programs to help the poor or keep white collar Wall Street criminals from making as much money as possible at the expense of the common person.

Outside of capitalist greed or helping people conservatives have no problem taking away people's rights in order to make their own opinions on such media to not be an opinion, but a legal fact.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Failed Politician Whines About Utah AG Backing Game Industry

Another motard whining about how Mark Shurtleff stood up against the bullying of him by pieces of trash named Jim "My 'advocacy' group is nothing more than a PTC ripoff" Steyer and Phyllis "Rape is A-OK with me" Schalfy.

How pathetic.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Yes, we should always base things solely on their worst case.  Using this same method, we can look to her to prove that all republicans are fascists, or all people in Utah are complete jackasses.  Using worst case, we wouldn't need that pesky science, and we should treat everyone the US interacts with like we'll have to nuke them out of existence the very next day.

Or, we could be sane and rational people and realize that finding one example out of thousands doesn't prove a trend, but is, in reality, a statistical outlier.  Video games /= postal.

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

If you are among those who did not have an intensely nauseated feeling or a repulsed emotional reaction to viewing this violence, then most likely you have already been desensitized by the violence you have been viewing in your media choices over time.

I like how she's basically saying "If you disagree with me, you're a victim of the media and as such, your opinion doesn't count"

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Actually, to give "credit" were "credit" is due, she's being just a little bit slicker than that. It's more like: "If you disagree with me, you're a victim of the media and as such, you help me prove my case for the desensitizing effect of violence in media. Ta-daaah!! I win!"

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

Yes but if I want to watch extremely violent horror movies and enjoy extreme depictions of violence it is my choice.  Most people decide for themselves that it is not something they want to see and can simply avoid watching.  The same thing goes for video games.  Children are interested in games that are fun not necessarily games that are violent.  If a violent game is too violent and not enough fun then it will not sell many copies.  See Kane and Lynch 2 - many say it is too realistic and not fun anymore.  

Re: Failed Politician Rips Utah AG for Backing Game Industry

After all, isn't freedom of expression a type of speech?

No, Ms. Eagar, it isn't. Freedom of expression protects certain types of speech.

And at least give Jack Thompson some credit while ripping off his "bought and paid for by the videogame industry with campaign contributions" claim. He used that one more than a year ago.

 
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