PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

October 18, 2010 -

The Parents Television Council (PTC) has a short editorial up on its site in which the organization defends the California law at the heart of Schwarzenegger vs. EMA, claiming that the videogame industry has “resorted to half-truths to try to make its point.”

As far as the law restricting First Amendment rights, the PTC says it “does no such thing,” but “merely prevents the most objectionable content from being sold directly to children.”

Do children also have a "right" to purchase cigarettes and alcohol? Of course not! If the law prevents children from directly purchasing other types of material that is inappropriate or harmful for them, why shouldn't parents be able to rest easy knowing their child won’t be able to buy ultra-violent games without their permission?

The PTC went on to state that the industry, “like the violent thugs which populate so many of the games it sells,” has responded with personal attacks.

Responding to the ESA’s campaign to send California State Senator Leland Yee broken controllers with “I Believe in the First Amendment” scrawled on them, the PTC stated “such mail is simply the industry throwing a temper tantrum and trying to intimidate someone who dares to hold them to the standards the gaming industry itself allegedly endorses.”

The editorial blitz ended with:

The videogame industry and those who support them are bullies, plain and simple. The PTC urges its members to stand up to the billionaire game companies that profit from selling sex and violence to children.


Comments

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to "Thugs"

The Parent Trash Cult is one to talk considering that they and groups like them(namely the Eagle For-dumb and Common Trash Media) have acted like bullies toward people supporting the video game industry like Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, for one.

Hypocrisy runs rampant at the Parent Trash Cult. The time for action against these anti-American assholes is long overdue.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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"Parent Trash Cult"/"Eagle For-dumb"/"Common Trash Media"

You know, if you're over the age of twelve and don't work for Mad Magazine, you probably shouldn't be making up silly parody names for things.

 

 

And if you DO work for Mad Magazine, you should come up with better ones.  "Trash" doesn't even sound like "Sense".  "Common Stench Media" is the obvious choice.

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to "Thugs"

Whatever, they're still anti-American trash in my book.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to "Thugs"

And they feel the same way about us.  For my part, I advocate substance over namecalling.


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I actually find it rather funny that this group's founder is part of a church that has become notorious for harboring pedophiles.

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I would love to see these extermists on TV with someone who has the guts to question them.

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"Avalongod They'd be happy to do so...they are called the parents' TELEVISION council after all.  I think they identify games as the weak link in the chain right now.  If they're successful here, they'll go after other media forms, just as the ESA has noted."

"Defenestrator They won't go after books because The Bible is unfit for minors.  It's loaded with rape, genocide, incest, murders, ethnic cleansing, rape and other atrocities.  It's okay to put that in the hands of our precious snowflakes, but the video games are totally evil."

"Zerodash However, if this law in California holds up, then we will soon see groups like the PTC use the precedent to censor every other type of media they don't like." 

their playing a dangerous game (hey I made a pun) precedents can be used by other people too things they want to protect (the bible?) may come under attack also.

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Do children also have a "right" to purchase cigarettes and alcohol?

That argument is grasping at straws, in my opinion. Comparing video games to alcohol and cigarettes is like comparing apples to bricks. Yes, I know the saying actually goes "apples to oranges", but video games and alcohol/cigarettes are so far apart from each other that comparing apples to bricks seemed a more apt saying here.

Logically, I don't even see how they can make the comparison. Alcohol and cigarettes have proven medical and health dangers, not just for children but EVERYBODY who chooses to use them. They are ingested and abosrobed physically into the body, via inhalation through the lungs or digestion in the stomach, down to a cellular level. Video games (like books, TV, movies, comics, music, dance, theatre, etc.) are enjoyed via sensory stiumlation be it visually, audibally, mentally or any combination thereof. They are not physically ingested into the body.

Surely anybody with even the slightest amount of common sense and even the minimalist amount of human physiological and biological knowledge can see the ridiculosness of the comparison.

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The PTC, looking forward to having another excuse to use the law as a blunt instrument against people they have even a slight problem with.

Willing to bet most of them hire nannies so very few of them likely know dick about parenting, since they're likely rich enough to have the free time to worry about this crap.

After they waited until George Carlin's passing away to insult him, this group deserves to be sued into the ground.

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Once again another "pro-parenting" group which has missed the point entirely;

"The PTC urges its members to stand up to the billionaire game companies that profit from selling sex and violence to children."

The video games industry is not trying to sell adult-intended games to children! If it were, then why is it self-regulated so that games carry age ratings, and why do retailers refuse sale of games to anyone younger than the age rating on the box?

They are making the assumption that this law will simply make the current restriction of sale to minors universal, and that will be the end of it. If the law is put in place, this is the best case scenario. However, I live in the UK, where it is illegal to sell a game to anyone younger than the game's age rating, and there is still a lot of debate that tighter restriction is needed on what can be published, so I think it highly unlikely that the debate will end there.

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Actually, I think the PTC is looking at this as another blunt insturment they can grab and swing at people they don't like.

As I said above, they are likely already planning stings and secret shopper attacks.

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The cynic in me says that's a distinct possibility, I was being charitable with my previous assertion.

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This pretty much confirms that there is no limit to the PTC's idiocy. They vicously assault people they don't like but scream in agony when these people fire back at them as is typical of the religious right. I shouldn't have to tell you that they've done pretty much everything they accuse the industry of doing here.

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Jeez PTC...

Until you encompass all entertainment mediums (games, movies, books, etc.) your argument is without merit. For you to single out only one medium "gaming" is duplicitous and insincere.

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They won't go after books because The Bible is unfit for minors.  It's loaded with rape, genocide, incest, murders, ethnic cleansing, rape and other atrocities.  It's okay to put that in the hands of our precious snowflakes, but the video games are totally evil.

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To be fair we all know the kids aren't actually going to read the thing.

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Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

They'd be happy to do so...they are called the parents' TELEVISION council after all.  I think they identify games as the weak link in the chain right now.  If they're successful here, they'll go after other media forms, just as the ESA has noted.

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

Giving that they have time to worry about this kind of thing, I bet many of them hire nannies and do little parenting themselves, so they spend all their time trying ot get the government to do it.

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"Industry-funded groups have urged gamers to send Senator Yee broken video game controllers.  The industry surely knows that sending hate mail to Senator Yee..."

Remember, kids, according to the PTC sending something in the mail to voice your displeasure with a politician = hate mail!  Let that be a lesson to you! 

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Well, Yee is a member of a minority group, and if the last two years have shown anything it's that disagreeing with a non-white politician makes you automagically a racist. 

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

Yes, because if there's one thing the PTC is known for, its their militant political correctness.


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Yeah, because actively making everyone to try conforming to your standards of what media is and isn't acceptable morally isn't bullying at all.  Hey PTC, take solace in the fact that your entire mission isn't flawed by a glaring contradiction, right?  Oh wait.

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Man the PTC are getting more pathetic with each passing day. 

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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Is the PTC not also the group that was successfully sued by the WWE because they were using LIES to get wrestling off the air?

I just love how Christian-oriented groups like the PTC are always trying to get their censorship imposed on everyone else, and then are the first to play the victim card whenever they get called out for their tactics.  Pathetic.

However, if this law in California holds up, then we will soon see groups like the PTC use the precedent to censor every other type of media they don't like. 

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Scary huh?

I agree whole-heartedly with you. This law holds, PTC and all the other nutty anti-violence groups will be able to get their hands into whatever they demand for censorship. I am afraid how this will end as this will trickle to my country as well (Canada)

However yeah, the PTC claiming that video game industries are bullying people...is pretty hypocritical coming from them.

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They're likely planning stings as we speak. People like them like t odeclare victory before anything really happens.

And if I remember right it's groups like the PTC clogging the judicial system up with lawsuits that make our country's legal system so messed up.

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Coming from the PTC, I´m not surprised they have to resort to these "tactics" to remain relevant in some way. They are more like bullies than nobody else, trying to dictate how the rest of the world have to live.

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Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

agreed. I'd say the pot calls the kettle black, but that gives the PTC too much credit

岩「if Phyllis Schlafly wants to undo Women's Rights, she should lead by example and get back in the kitchen」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

 How is saying that anyone who supports the videogame industry are bullies not a personal attack in itself?  Or is this another one of those do as we say not as we do ... so no comments that are personal against me but by god I can call you the son of a jackal?

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Also, it's OUR industry... how is it bullying if we're trying to protect it?

It's more that OTHERS who have nothing to do with the industry trying to dictate what we should and should not be doing that should be considered bullying.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

It is not OUR industry, but we are their costumers. Sadly, sometimes the costumers are more interested on protect the industry´s rights than the industry itself. So far, I believe the industry efforts to counter this "arguments" from groups like PTC are close to none.

But if you are making an unauthorized mod for a game, you are fucked. But if Jack Thompson says that a company´s CEO is a child molester nazi, no one lies a finger on him.

 

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"So far, I believe the industry efforts to counter this "arguments" from groups like PTC are close to none."

They've made some pretty great arguments, actually.

"But if Jack Thompson says that a company´s CEO is a child molester nazi, no one lies a finger on him."

Uh, he got disbarred, dude.  It's kinda hard to say his behavior wasn't punished.

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JT was disbarred, yes, but not exactly because the videogame industry, but for professional misconduct. He was an ass with judges, lawyers, defendants, their family members, secretaries, FAX MACHINES, goddamnit... he pissed off everybody. He was kicked out because of that, not for being a slanderous idiot against Rockstar.

And yes, I admit that sometimes the industry makes it stand, but I was also talking about the ferocious way the industry defends their games against piracy or illegal mods to their games instead of defending themselves against PTC or other organizations or "studies".

That´s kind of sad. They are after their own consumers, not their detractors.

 

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Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

"He was kicked out because of that, not for being a slanderous idiot against Rockstar."

Well, he was kicked out for being a slanderous idiot against EVERYBODY.  I think that counts.

"That´s kind of sad. They are after their own consumers, not their detractors."

I'll agree with that.  I don't necessarily agree that the industry should go out of its way to rebut EVERY ill-conceived criticism, but responding quickly to major news stories would be a good idea.

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

The Fax machines comment was a rib tickler, but yeah your right there

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

That is a spot-on observation.  Well done.

Re: PTC Compares Game Industry Groups to Thugs

Not to mention that the people who constantly quote flawed studies out of context to bolster their arguments are throwing a hissy about people who "resort to half-truths".

 

 
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