"Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

February 15, 2011 -

This Valentine’s Day, a girl gave me something I honestly wasn’t expecting.  Granted, she also gave it to everyone else in her address book but hey, I’m not jealous.

Yes, yesterday, Carole Lieberman finally provided the blogosphere with “examples of research linking video games to real life violence (including rape).”  Do the various studies, papers, and opinion pieces she provided actually back up her claims?  I’ll leave that to you.

-American Psychological Association’s Resolution on Violence in Video Games and Interactive Media

-How Fantasy Becomes Reality (Karen Dill)

-Attorney General's Commission on Pornography (1986)

-Influence of Media Violence on Youth (Craig Anderson and others)

-Violent Video Game Effects on Aggression, Empathy, and Prosocial Behavior in Eastern and Western Countries: A Meta-Analytic Review (Craig Anderson, Brad Bushman and others)

-Reporting from San Diego, GamePolitics Correspondent Andrew Eisen


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Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Did she really just use a study from a quarter of a century ago as her "proof"? I'll give her the fact that rape was more frequent in 1986 than it is now. But Pacman and Donkey Kong were creating serial rapists. Really? That explains why rape has gone down in the last 25 years since that study was done. Oh wait it doesn't. Keep looking maybe you can find some studies from the 1920s that support your claims. After all you want to stay current with your "evidence" right.

You know most people when they stick their foot in their mouth they stop talking. She seems determined to gnaw the damn foot clean off. All she had to say was she mispoke and had no clue what she were talking about and then go away. She just keeps talking and makes herself look more and more like a fool.

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Her "evidence" has just been dissected by Rock Paper Shotgun : http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/15/bulletstormgate-lieberman-off...

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Hey, I remember these, I used them in a college critical writing class.  Man, I wonder if she found the college thesis paper that debunked every one of Mr. Anderson's studies.  Though I doubt she would like admitting that anyone with a hint of education can debunk the Violent Video-Games = Violent Crime myth.

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

I have a good feeling that this moron is stewing in her own stupidity, thinking "... what the hell was I thinking?"

And if she isn't thinking that, at this point she knows how easy it'll be for others to shoot her down.

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

i still love how they try to use Rape-Lay as a reason despite having proven nothing but how utterly ignorang they are in the fact the game was NEVER OUTSIDE JAPAN LEGALLY. then often mention how it was "Available at retailers".....

anywho.. yeh, nice list doc, now wheres the proof?

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Based on the random articles she produced, it looks far more like an "after the fact" list.  People called her out on the "thousands" claim and she scrambled to find a few articles to "back up" her claim.

I truly wouldn't be surprised if Anderson threw her a bone of "yuck yuck, uh huh, I'm reputable, see?" crap from his own personal files when she received all the requests for "evidence".

I truly won't be surprised, either, if she Googled something along the lines of "violent video game studies articles" or the like and picked what she thought was the juciest article titles/summaries without actually looking at the "studies" or "articles" and not even bothering to see whether they had been debunked or questioned.

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Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

As soon as I saw this I thought, "This is the best she could come up with?"  A bunch of studies from people we're already familiar with whose conclusions are already tenuous if not outright debunked, plus the infamous Meese commission pornography report from the Reagan era which, in addtion to being over 20 years out of date, has since been considered bullshit of the highest order.

Way to go, "Dr." Lieberman.  It only proves she really is a quack.  I won't be recommending her to my friends or family for advice on, well...anything!

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Keep digging, Ms. Lieberman. And may you hit rock bottom soon.

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Soon? Are you sure she hasn't already hit it and brought out the TBM?

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Well, the AG report at least has no actual 'research' or 'study' to it... it mostly takes the form of hand picked 'witnesses' coming to tell their stories in front of a bunch of people who already knew what conclusion they wanted.  Reading through it and thinking anyone took this seriously make me physically ill... it reminds me of the 'homosexuality destroys lives' muck from earlier decades, or even 'comic books cause puppies to explode' hearings before that.

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

it's over 20 years old, what can you expect?

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岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Wow, one is a Psychology Today article (hardly a study, and considered by anyone with psychology degree to be a terrible source of information), another is a reference to a porn study, the one on media violence covers ALL media (including the news, hardly a case against video games), and the third is a meta-analysis... something I am not experienced with enough to offer any criticism, other than the fact that if you are doing a meta-analysis on poorly done studies, you are going to get poor results on your meta-analysis. 

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

The meta-analysis in question was criticized in the same issue of the same journal (see Ferguson & Kilburn, 2010).

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

So in other words she had no studies and when it came time to defend herself she went to Google Scholar and typed "Video game violence." 

Re: "Violent Games Lead to Rape" Doc Cites Sources

Craig Anderson is fairly well-known for controversial and half-baked "games cause violence" claims.

The Karen Dill article is about Rapelay- a game that has yet to have caused an actual rape.  In fact, all this proves is that the game existed at one point.

 

I hope there is more coming...after all, she has "thousands" of sources, remember?   

 
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