Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

March 23, 2011 -

Earlier this week we mentioned an iOS device app that purported to cure its users of homosexuality. After the national media picked up on the story and gay rights activists railed against it, Apple decided to pull the app from its App Store. The app created by ministry group Exodus International was designed, according to its creators, to "teach gay people that they have a choice when it comes to their sexuality," and that they have a choice to choose "freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus."

This did not sit well with rights groups and many wondered why Apple would let such an app be published to the App Store in the first place. The app, which is officially called "Gay Cure," was released in mid-February and had an age rating of 4+. The latest effort to get it yanked from the store came from change.org, who launched an online petition that managed to collect over 140,000 signatures. While we're not sure if this was the straw that broke the camel's back for Apple, it certainly had some sort of impact.

On Tuesday night Apple quietly pulled the app from its store. After its removal, Exodus International President Alan Chambers tweeted the following:

"It’s official, the @ExodusInl App is no longer in the @AppStore. Incredibly disappointing. Watch out, it could happen to you. #freedom"

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Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

Look, once you buy the phone, the phone should be yours and not Apple's any more. That's what "selling" means. If Apple sells the phone to you, the phone then belongs to you and not to Apple. After that point, you should be able to run whatever apps you want, however politically incorrect they may be.

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I guess the gay rights folks must think it's pretty fun to turn the tables and oppress somebody else once in a while...

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Who's being oppressed here, exactly?

A group with an intolerant message is being told to take it elsewhere rather than being granted a forum in a privately-controlled software repository.

These guys have the right to voice their opinions, but not on the App Store.  As I've said before, I fundamentally support the Klan's right to march in Skokie, but I'm not going to let them post on my personal website.

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Makes me think of the whole "Affirmative Action" idea discriminating against highly skilled people based on their race. :P

But actually on-topic, in the end this situation is in Apple's hands, and I don't blame them for pulling the app from a business standpoint.

From the religious group's standpoint, though, there are lots better ways to get a tricky message out than a silly app (or standing on a street corner with anti-gay signs). I don't believe homosexuality is right, either, but making it into a public argument will only clash your word versus the whole LGBT community. Being honest and true to your beliefs without being degrading is always going to be the trick, as well as acknowledging each person individually, not lumping everyone who doesn't agree into "the opposition."

Who knows? Maybe this group can try talking Jesus first, then if someone's interested that far, introduce them to their beliefs on homosexuality. Don't push them away from the group first and then expect them to embrace you with open arms.

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"Makes me think of the whole "Affirmative Action" idea discriminating against highly skilled people based on their race. :P"

Well, the right-wing caricature of what affirmative action is, anyway.  The purpose of affirmative action is actually to PREVENT the discrimination against highly-skilled people based on their race.

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"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: It is an abomination." -Leviticus 18:22
So, my logic may be shaky, but if a man doesn't lie with womankind, then he can lie with all the mankind he wants, right? Since womankind isn't even in the picture, no abomination takes place.

All I can see this forbidding is bisexuality, but come on... That's kinda hot.

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You know, I've thought about that myself. Seems to me, if taken literally enough, all that passage forbids is mixed-gender threesomes.

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Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

Personally I think it isn't that complicated. In a matter of speech, it's just saying "hey, that thing you wanna do to the cute girls/your wife/whatever all the time? Don't do that with a guy."

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Literally this means that you shouldn't be a liar towards men as you would be with women. Lying to men is different to lying to women.

Also does this often quoted passage mean that women can have sex with women or that they can't have sex with men like they would with women.

Regardless the belief that homosexuality is bad was so much so that they didn't bother putting it in the 10 Commandments.

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Hmmm, that's a new twist :) And considering the two cities of old were arguably smiten not for homosexual behavior, but because they were basically hedonists that would do nothing worthwhile all day long... Hmmm.

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Saying you don't believe homosexuality is right is like saying you don't believe being left-handed is right. You don't actually get to choose. You're basically saying to these people that they shouldn't accept the way they were born.

Let's talk from Christian to Christian. God made us who we are. Thus, it does not matter what the sexual orientation someone is, as long as they lead a good, honest life. Discriminating against homosexuals is basically not recognising that God has made us all equal. There's a problem present if you care more about respecting a certain interpretation of the Old Testament rather than trying to solve the real issues present in our society, like poverty, crime, pollution, greed, etc...

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Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

A very good friend of mine happens to believe homosexuals are born as they are, not chosen, so I've had a chance to think about this before. His argument was that you don't choose to like something, you just "do." Kind of like how we both love gaming, not because we thought "oh hey I want to like gaming," but because it appealed to us. We just like it.

Everyone has wants, and you can't always pick what appeals to you to make you want it. I agree that far. However, we DO have a choice when it comes to how we act and how we deal with our likes and wants. Wanting to do something, or in the case of religious talk and sin, being tempted to do something, is NOT wrong in and of itself. Any Christian should acknowledge that Jesus was tempted pretty hard several times, and that the Bible says he sure as hell didn't want to die. He asked for any other way out of it, 3 times in a row. But what matters is how he dealt with it, and followed God's plan for him.

Anyway, back to the topic - To use an analogy, I'd view homosexual attraction in a matter similar to a guy who has a spouse, and is attracted to another person. Noticing the attraction isn't wrong. But what if he has an affair, or starts lusting for this other person in his mind? Even if he only compliments or watches this other person, that can quickly become dangerous ground in a relationship. It's what he does with that attraction. Morally speaking, he should be honoring the vows he made to his spouse, unless the spouse dies or is unfaithful to him.

Therefore, I don't believe being attracted to members of the same sex is wrong in and of itself. Does that clarify well enough?

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Personally, while I don't think it's a choice, I don't think people are born gay. I think it's developmental or psychological. The problem with with comparing some sort of "like" with sexual orientation is that a simple preference of taste in entertainment nothing like a sexual attraction. The physical and mental feelings are very different.

Nothing really much to say on the second paragraph, other than that I pretty much agree. Temptation and sin are two different things.

Though, I really don't get that last analogy. Well, whatever. You have clarified it.

 

 

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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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Well, I think we must first define several things. First, what is right or wrong about homosexuality? I mean, positions range from homosexuality itself being a sin to only homosexual actions being a sin. And then there's also how serious of a sin is it, if a sin at all. As you say, what of more serious issues? Of course, one must remember the political and social tensions. This article on the app is a good example. All of this rhetoric for nothing. If it isn't calling out homophobia when there isn't any at the time or crying bigot when unneccesary, it's the other side complaining about liberals using homophobia as a political ploy while making homophobic comments and ranting about chrisitian values. I mean, real religious discussion on the matter is seemingly lost to politics. But I digress. The point is, define all of the variables.

Then, what is choice? I certainly don't believe homosexuals just choose to be gay. Why choose to be a discriminated group? Of course, there may be specific individuals who have issues on being victims or want to be part of the gay culture, but can't be considered a main cause. But then, isn't it also choice as to how to respond to such tendencies? I mean, one can possibly choose to try to switch sexualities. But even then, is the choice right? It certainly can't be as simple as this group currently mentioned has it, or as terrible as other groups do it. You used the example of the left hand. Poor example for your point really, since one can train to become ambidextrous or right handed. So, birth really doesn't matter. One can choose their paths.

And what defines "discriminating"? That's an important one that everyone ignores. Some, as this app issue shows, consider it discriminating just to hold dissenting moral opinion. And by "equal", I assume you mean equal rights.

And living a good, honest life is important for christians (give or take specifics), but homosexuality still remains an issue since it's a question of if it's bad or not.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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Not meaning to spam, but I thought I'd give my answers to a couple of your points.

Homosexuality is a sin because God planned for humans to pair off as male and female, and support each other that way. According to the creation accounts, woman was made specifically as a partner for man, too. Deliberately turning away from that plan is what makes it a sin.

As for actions versus homosexual attractions, see my other nearby post.

How serious is it? According to the Bible, all sins are equal value. The only way to "earn" heaven would be to be perfect, and any one sin ruins that. Of course, nobody has a shortage of sins, so I think of it simply as no one sin is worse or better than another.

You mentioned discriminating, too. I don't know the legal definition of the term off hand, but the Bible commands humans to love one another. It doesn't care if you agree with them, support them, or even LIKE them, but you are supposed to act out of love. Even if you think the person's lifestyle is wrong, act out of love. Anyone who hates or tries to punish another person is sinning, unless it's the law condemning a criminal.

As for why someone might choose to be in a discriminated group, there are lots of people who seek attention that way. (I'm NOT saying all homosexuals do this, only certain individuals, and they can do it any community, not just the gay community)

You're right, changing what you like is very hard. As an example, people struggle with everything from bad habits to addictions. Fortunately, God knows we can't just poof change our lifestyles, no matter what the situation is.

Dang I'm writing walls of text tonight

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Well, I myself am catholic. We don't believe homosexuality is a sin, but that such acts are, though really at an equal level of other sinful sexual acts. Mind you this is when all else is equal, and political bull doesn't alter beliefs. I really can't consider a sin something that is a feeling, not a willing or chosen action. The feeling wasn't deliberate.

As for your post on homosexuality, I'll just respond to that thread after this then.

I would disagree. Some sins are more serious than other. Different sins aside for the moment, there is the knowledge of whether or not something is a sin, or whether or not the sin was fully understood as what it was. Then there are different sins. Surely to kill another man or to hate another man is more serious than a homosexual act? Intentions are different, as are the people harmed. People may be equal in potential for sin, but people aren't equal in the choices that they make. Should more emphasis be put on counter homosexuality or hate and violence against homosexuals. I personally have made my choice on that matter.

When I say "discriminating", I mean in it's basic use, not it's legal one. I mean, it's not a quesition of hate so much as what is unequal treatment. Though, I agree with your stance on treatment.

And as you say, not all homosexuals (I suspect an extremely small amount) really choose for such reasons. Which reinforces the idea that it really isn't an initial choice as to homosexual tendencies.

As for changing, I don't think a real valid option is around. One can hardly trust a religious group with discovering something of a scientific nature, unless we're talking about legit religous scientist. But it's not like every local church has one member with a PHD in some sort of medical field. The fact is, remedies by christian groups so far have had no proper basis in reality, and ultimately seem to do worse damage. At best, they do nothing. But the real problem is this. Say some "cure" comes out from an unbiased source. It doesn't even matter if it's legit or not. Some christian groups will endorse it without any skepticism, no doubt proud that it's been "proven" to be sin, while LGBT right groups will denounce it as hate of some sort, and just label it as a fraud, without really knowing anything about it. As of now, I trust neither side. They've already decided on what is true. Oh, and I don't think it's apt to compare sexual orientations with an "addiction". Two very different things.

As for walls of text, don't worry about it.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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Sorry, I wasn't trying to say sexual orientations are like addictions. I was simply saying that it's hard to change your habits or lifestyle (whether they are sexual or otherwise).

I should also say while I believe all sins equally damning, different acts will have different consequences. Of course worse things will generally happen to you if you kill someone compared to shoplifting, just like different consequences arise from acts that hurt others, versus things that are wrong that hurt yourself or "appear" to hurt no one. So in that sense, some sins will affect you immediately more than others, and some may bring more guilt to any given person than others. "Better" or "worse" is just rationalizing trying to make oneself feel better imo. "Hey look I'm not as bad as THAT person," or "at least I didn't KILL anybody so get off my back."

But hey, the way I see it is if Jesus took care of all sins for all people, then it doesn't matter what sin is "worth" what. Just try not to, and trust that he's got you covered when you do. Be a good person and share the gospel as a "thank you" and that's about the gist of it. (of course this is totally oversimplified, but I hope everyone caught that)

I'll agree with you that it's too bad so many "religious scientists" have no more idea what they're talking about than Jack Thompson.

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Well, not really. For some, homosexuality is a genetic predisposition. For others, however, it IS a choice for whatever reason. The twist here is that the opposite can also happen, people with homosexual predispositions that learn to love and live an heterosexual life style. And then there's the whole bisexual bit. I can't remember if some people are predisposed to bisexual lifestyle, but I do know a good number that are actually have one of the two preferences, whether man or woman, as something acquired. Of course, this make sense if you consider people learning to love/live the opposite of their predisposition. While some might try to avoid their primary instincts (culture, religion, needs for kids, etc.), some might not want to restrict themselves and live a fuller/more hedonist lifestyle.

 

Data for this post was based on the attractiveness studies of vague facial pictures, smells and something else I can't remember that led to what we currently believe to be the genetic markers for sexual attraction. As such, if the study has since been further developed or have been contested, my post will be found to be of similar limitations.

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As I understand it "living a good honest life" is nowhere even close to what Christianity is about.  It is pretty adamant about the point that it makes that a person cannot get into heaven or whatever on their own works.  It also tells that everyone is born flawed and short of God's standards, but that it is also no excuse.

But trying to say that God is okay with homosexuality because he made us all equal is fairly much ignoring all of the stuff said on the matter in the bible.

But on the matter of being created a specific way or genetic predisposition, there is research that shows that problems such as crime could be linked to specific genetic markers.  Should criminals be accepted in the same way?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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You can't really interpret The Old Testament without the help from the New Testament, and as I understand it there is nothing is the New Testament that forbids homosexuality, but that's a moot point. The way I see it the New Testament had a strong focus on the actions that take place in the present. In other words, you're not going to the proverbial heaven solely by blindly following the rules of the Old Testament. What's important is what you are doing right here, right now to make this world a slightly better world.

To answer your question about the genetic predisposition to crime, if futher reseach is made on the subject and it is proven without a shadow of a doubt that specific genetic markers could potentially lead to crime, I am quite certain this could be used in a real case as an attenuating factor, just like growing up in a poor neightborhood or unstable family. You've got to make the distiction, though. Having dispositions to certain attitudes, comportment or addictions is not the same as being left-handed, having blue eyes or being homosexual. One directly influences the way you act, due to the way your brain is connected, the other influences the way you act due to social interactions and pressures. Or, in other words, one affects the thresholds that determines when you will have certain attitudes, comportment or addictions, the other is simply a description of your physical characteristics. You are not bound by the first; you can work around it. The second, you cannot escape, as it determines who you are. An alcoholic will easily be addicted to alchohol, but it doesn't mean he has to drink; he can show retrain with enough willpower and support from his peers. Being an homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual is like having blue eyes or brown hair: it's simply part of who you are.

Sorry if I couldn't sum all this up more concisely.

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The New Testament also says that you are not going to Heaven, proverbial or whatever, based on your actions.  So a homosexual being a "good person" is just sort of a moot point.

As to the other point about "poor neighborhoods" or "unstable family" I have to say: too bad.  Secondary factors based directly on the crime are one thing, like killing someone in self defense.  But as far as ruining society because you were abused or poor that is really just too bad.  And we cannot have people like that running around in society.  Sure, maybe they are due a few sympathy points, but sympathy as a feeling and not as an action.  The Arizona shooter is probably the god of total bugnuts crazies, as someone who suffers (though not to the same degree) psychological issues I can relate.  I still hope they hang him.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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"The New Testament also says that you are not going to Heaven, proverbial or whatever, based on your actions.  So a homosexual being a "good person" is just sort of a moot point."

It is very much the contrary:

Jesus, talking about false prophets, using a metaphor:

"Likewise, every good tree [individuals] bears good fruit [make good actions], but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire [at the end of times, people who are evil will be punished (this include people who only care about getting into heaven, but do not genuinely want to help the helpless)]. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them [what counts isn't what people say, but what they actually do (like individuals who help the poor, the helpless and the marginalised, or on the contrary individuals who are evil or use religion to manipulate people)]."  - Matthew 7, 17-20

Of course, this is only my interpretation.

"As to the other point about "poor neighborhoods" or "unstable family" I have to say: too bad.  Secondary factors based directly on the crime are one thing, like killing someone in self defense.  But as far as ruining society because you were abused or poor that is really just too bad.  And we cannot have people like that running around in society.  Sure, maybe they are due a few sympathy points, but sympathy as a feeling and not as an action." 

That's not how the justice system work in truly democratic countries. Judges DO take into account attenuating factors, like for example histories of mental illnesses or difficult childhoods.

"The Arizona shooter is probably the god of total bugnuts crazies, as someone who suffers (though not to the same degree) psychological issues I can relate.  I still hope they hang him."

It is unfortunate that you think this way. Can't say I beleive you when you say you can relate to him. I don't know how someone can wish the death of another person.

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Think about the kind of uproar you would have if someone made an app about how being gay helps control overpopulation?  Where would the religious groups cries for #freedom be then?

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Both groups have replied on their website. From Change.org

Apple has been under pressure for more than a week to drop an app from iTunes, created by “ex-gay” ministry Exodus International, that promotes “curing” LGBT people and tells gay youth that they can be “freed from homosexuality.”

After 152,000 emails to the company protesting the app, Apple has finally listened. The app has been pulled from iTunes. Searches for the Exodus app now turn up this message: “The item you've requested is not currently available in the US store.”

And a spokesperson for Apple told Fox News today: "We removed the Exodus International app from the App Store because it violates the developer guidelines by being offensive to large groups of people." Yeah, not hard to see how an app suggesting people can be "freed" from homosexuality is offensive to large groups of Apple customers.

Truth Wins Out, the organization that started the petition on Change.org asking Apple to remove the app, praised the company for listening to consumers, and pulling what many considered to be a dangerous app that sent a harmful message to LGBT young adults.

“Apple made a wise and responsible decision to dump an offensive app that demonized gay and lesbian people,” said Wayne Besen, Executive Director of Truth Wins Out. “The real winners today are LGBT youth who are safer and less at risk for receiving Exodus’ malice and misinformation.”

As Truth Wins Out notes, Exodus’ work promoting “ex-gay” therapy has been condemned by nearly every major medical and mental health organization in the country, including the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, and the American Counseling Association. Their app sent a harmful and particularly vile message to LGBT youth that their sexual orientation was “immoral,” and that they should seek “treatment.”

“This is not a question of free speech, but of stopping a virulently anti-gay organization from peddling false speech at the expense of vulnerable LGBT youth,” said John Becker, Truth Wins Out’s Director of Communications and Development. “Exodus may pose as the victim, but they are a victimizer that has left a trail of shattered lives and broken families. We are grateful that Exodus has lost at least one platform with which to disperse its dangerous message.”

Becker also added a special message to the more than 150,000 Change.org members who took action and called for Apple to remove this app.

"Truth Wins Out was honored to have the support of more than 150,000 Change.org members, who helped send a message to Apple that 'ex-gay' therapy is dangerous, harmful, damaging, and has no place on the iTunes platform," said Becker. "This is really a testament to how the power of online organizing can be harnessed to advance social change and confront homophobia."

And from Exodus

Last night, Apple removed an application submitted by Exodus International, a global Christian ministry helping those struggling with unwanted same-sex attraction to live a life congruent with biblical teaching. Apple told the ministry’s web developer that they deemed the app “offensive to large groups of people” and removed it. Exodus is encouraging people to contact Apple and ask them to recognize the diversity of beliefs within its customer base.

Apple originally approved the app which provided mobile access to the information available on the ministry’s web site and gave it 4+ rating, but pulled it after gay activist groups launched a petition to remove it. It now appears that the multinational corporation has caved, yet again, to their pressure. In November, Apple removed the application submitted by The Manhattan Declaration, a group of Christian leaders who support biblical teaching on marriage, as a result of pressure from the same gay activist groups.

“We are extremely disappointed to learn of Apple’s decision to deny equal representation in the public square,” said Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International. “Discrimination of thought and belief obstructs essential dialogue and authentic diversity,” said Chambers noting that Apple provides hundreds of apps specific to the GLBT community and has made the Gay Christian Network’s podcasts available on its iTunes store.

“Ultimately, this issue comes down to what we, as a culture, believe about equality and the freedom to express our beliefs,” said Chambers. “It is our hope that Apple will reconsider its decision and allow our organization to be part of the ongoing conversation about the challenging issues many face today.”

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Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

The Exodus International tweet is absolutely right - this is about freedom. Apple shouldn't be able to tell the owners of hardware purchased from Apple what apps they can and cannot run on the hardware that they own in the first place.

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"Apple shouldn't be able to tell the owners of hardware purchased from Apple what apps they can and cannot run on the hardware that they own in the first place."

And they can't -- Apple can't stop a user from jailbreaking his phone, only declare the warranty void.

However, Apple runs the App Store and gets to decide what's offered on it.

I personally think it would be great if Apple would allow third-party software repositories without the need for jailbreaking; I'm not a fan of the walled-garden approach and don't own any iOS devices.  However, the flipside is that, since Apple IS taking a walled-garden approach, it's under no obligation to publish apps like this.

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The Apple App store is not publically owned. Period.

Also, Gay people have the right to not be harassed by religious zealots.

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I imagine that anyone who wanted to use the functionality of the app would not feel harassed, as it was their decision to purchase it.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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How exactly are gay people being harassed by this app?

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This is no different than the WBC standing on the street corner with a "god hates fags" sign, and I don't think many people would try to claim that as anything other than harassment.

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No, it's completely different. Firstly you have a choice whether to download this app or not, the Phelps family deliberately go to public places to be seen and heard by everyone.

The only way people would feel harassed by this app was if they downloaded it to be harassed. Although I doubt that the app actually had any language like that in it. If the gay people who downloaded it wanted to change their sexuality they wouldn't feel harassed by something saying that they should do so.

This whole situation sounds like people feeling like they should be offended on the bahalf of a minority that they know little about or have little to do with.

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Except that if you don't buy it, you're not exposed to it in any way?

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And they could have exercised that right by not purchasing the app. Simple as that. The existance of stuff you find offensive does not mean your rights are being violated.

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Well, no, not so much freedom as fairness. Apple has the freedom to allow whatever it wants on it's systems. But it's certainly not being fair about it. More like it's acting on it's business interests.

 

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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Certainly Apple has the freedom to allow and disallow whatever they want on their systems. It's on their customer's systems that they have no such right!

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It floors me when Christians in America hoot and holler about having their "freedoms" taken away.  Considering that Christian groups and organizations are at the absolute forefront of efforts to limit personal choice and freedom, it is utterly hypocritical- and it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

Imagine what stance these people would be making if Apple allowed porn apps on their store.  

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Why not? We gamers fight for freedom all the time. And be honest: we wouldn't feel any differernt about porn apps.

 

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4+?

That.. is kinda scary actually.  I have seen the results of trying to 'cure' gay children and it can be pretty terrible and while I doubt this app would actually be very effective.. I am actually LESS comfortable with stuff like this being sold then, say, that pedophile guide amazon yanked a while back.

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That doesn't so much scare me as make me curious. Why only 4+? I mean, it's not like the church group rated it. Apple did. And I personally wouldn't find it worse than a pedo guide. That strikes me as worse.

 

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

Gellymatos, if I recall it was rated 4+ because the language and images were about what you'd see in a G-rated movie. Doesn't touch on what the text actually said.

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Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

Well ,that's part of the point. Language ratings would be able to give some clue as to if hate speech was used. Actually, when I found out that this app was nothing more than a mobile form of their site, I just went to their site. And I found nothing hateful their. Flawed or questionable, at time yes, at others maybe. But nothing that really denotes hate speech. Honestly, even if Exodus's international's rhetoric that this was some sort of freedom violation nothing more than exaggeration of the issue, I would still put the other side, as well as apple, at fault.

 

 

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

Well, you gotta understand Neneeko.  He's never had a problem with children having sex, so for him, pedos are all right.

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With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

More like I  have known both victims of child molestation, and I have known people who's parents tried to force the gay out of them... both groups have issues, but the latter always seemed more messed up because of it.  A decade or two of psychological torture and repression can do a lot of damage, and there is a reason the suicide rate in that group is so high, not to mention SI.

Re: Apple Removes 'Gay Cure' App from App Store

Well, I understand the both, though I have more experience with people with the first rather than the latter. However, I hope you understand why I might find physicial molestation to a child on a sexual level something very serious. Actually, like I said, I got curious as to the rating. And I'll get to that with my next post in response to Adamas Draconis.

 

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

 
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E. Zachary KnightSleaker, How is that different from every other credit card company targeting high school and college students?07/30/2014 - 1:40pm
Sleaker@EZK - I think some people are concerned beacuse it's a predatory technique targetted toward younger people that don't understand on top of offering the worst interest rates of any retailer around.07/30/2014 - 11:33am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/07/30/europe-gets-long-detained-shin-megami-tensei-4-at-cut-price/ "Sorry you had to wait a year for SMT4, would a price cut make it sting less?"07/30/2014 - 10:29am
NeenekoI would hope not. Though it is not unheard of for store specific cards to be pretty good.07/30/2014 - 8:17am
E. Zachary KnightDoes anyone, or at least any intelligent person, expect a retail branded credit card to be anything close to resembling a "good deal" on interest rates?07/30/2014 - 7:13am
SleakerGamestop articles popping up everywhere about their ludicrous new Credit card offerings at a whopping pre-approval for 26.9% APR07/29/2014 - 10:19pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/podcasting-patent-troll-we-tried-to-drop-lawsuit-against-adam-carolla/ the podcasting patent troll scum is trying to turn tail and run.07/29/2014 - 9:50pm
MaskedPixelanteOf course it's improved. At launch, Origin was scanning your entire hard drive, but now it's just scanning your browsing history. If that's not an improvement, I dunno what is!07/29/2014 - 8:59pm
Papa Midnighthttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/experienced-points/12029-Has-EAs-Origin-Service-Improved-Any-Over-the-Last-Two-Years07/29/2014 - 8:25pm
Sora-ChanSo it's just a matter of having better emulation software. If it can be done with a 3DS game, with all the memory and what not it takes up, it can be done with a GBA title through emulation.07/29/2014 - 7:30pm
Sora-ChanOther VC titles for the NES and Gameboy had the same setup where you couldn't access the homescreen without quitting out of the game til a later update when those games were released for the public outside of the founder program.07/29/2014 - 7:28pm
Sora-Chanthe 3DS can, and does, run GBA games, as seen by the founder gifts, which included a number of GBA titles. As for running GBA games and still having access to the home screen, I beleive it's more of the game emulation software needs to be updated.07/29/2014 - 7:27pm
Matthew Wilsonthe 3ds already swaps os's with the original ds. plus I dont think people expect miverse interaction when playing a gba game.07/29/2014 - 6:06pm
MaskedPixelanteBut that's not the issue, the 3DS is perfectly capable of emulating GBA games. The problem is that it doesn't have enough available system resources to run it alongside the 3DS OS, and thus it doesn't have access to stuff like Miiverse and save states.07/29/2014 - 5:45pm
Matthew WilsonI am well aware that it requires more power, but if a GBA emulator could run well on a original psp, than it should work on a 3ds.07/29/2014 - 5:36pm
ZenThe reason the SNES could run Gameboy, or the Gamecube could run GBA was because their adapters included all of the necessary hardware to do it in the respective add-ons. The systems were just conduits for control inputs and video/sound/power.07/29/2014 - 4:51pm
ZenMatthew: Emulation takes more power than people realize to run a game properly. You can make something run on less, but Nintendo...as slow as they are at releasing them..makes them run as close to 100% as possible. Each game has its own emulator for it.07/29/2014 - 4:47pm
Matthew Wilsonkind of hard to believe since the 3ds is atleast as powerful as the gamecube hardware wise.07/29/2014 - 4:27pm
MaskedPixelanteYes, the 3DS has enough power to run 16-bit emulators, but not at the same time it's running the 3DS systems themselves. You could run the games, but you wouldn't get save states or Miiverse.07/29/2014 - 4:04pm
InfophileRunning GBA on 3DS shouldn't be hard. The DS had flashcarts sold for it that added just enough power to emulate GBA and SNES games, so the 3DS should have more than enough natively.07/29/2014 - 3:37pm
 

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