R18+ Opponent Accuses Australian Gamers of Using 'Propaganda'

March 31, 2011 -

Barbara Biggins, CEO of the children's advocacy group the Australian Council on Children and the Media, is ratcheting up the rhetoric against gamers in the fight to keep Australia from getting an adult ratings classification. She has accused Australian gamers of "using propaganda" in the very public debate over changing the ratings system.

In an article that appeared on The Drum Unleashed, Biggins alleges that the rhetoric used by those that want an expanded ratings system has changed recently, and now downplays the negative side effects:

"Over the past year ... the pro-R18+ lobby has argued that having such a category would provide better protection for children," she wrote. "The push became propaganda."

Her argument is that allowing games into the country that have adult content in them won't keep them out of the hands of children, who will find a way to get them.

"Using the classification criteria for films, R18+ games would have no restrictions on themes ... Given that it's practically impossible for even the most conscientious of parents to keep their children away from exposure to portable R18+ items like DVDs and games, how can it be possibly claimed that this would be better for children?"

She went on to say that everyone should wait for the Australian Law Reform Commission to review the entire rating system later this year.

"[G]amers may rant and rave (and they do if anyone dares oppose them)," she said. "But let's take the ALRC opportunity to review the options properly, not respond to propaganda."

This is a pretty common argument among children's advocacy groups but the problem is that it's really censorship in the name of protecting children. To keep Mature rated games out of the hands of children, Biggins and people like her would make it unavailable for everyone - including the adults the content is meant for. Censorship is not a fair compromise.

Source: The Escapist

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"[G]amers may rant and rave (and they do if anyone dares oppose them)," she said. "But let's take the ALRC opportunity to review the options properly, not respond to propaganda."

Um..Arn't YOU ranting and raving there ma'am? Just because they DARE oppose you?

 - W

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Amen.

We should start collecting the propaganda against games and reminding them what they've turned against us.

The poster of the "stoned" kid lying on the bed with the controller in his hand...

The commercial of the mom who turns off the power to turn her gaming kids into jocks...

The TV shows (NCSI, NYPD, etc.) that show gamers as fat, middle-aged, game-addicted, and completely disconnected from reality...

You want "propaganda," we can give you "propaganda." Start portraying gamers as intelligent, healthy, valued members of society.

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"The commercial of the mom who turns off the power to turn her gaming kids into jocks..."

I haven't seen that one. Is it on YouTube?

 - w

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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These are people who tend to have trouble admitting they might be wrong, so, fat chance on that.

and I didn't like the power turn off thing as that's deception.

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Why isn't she campaigning against an 18 rating for films then?

I've never quite understood that with people who are adamant about a change; they're never consistent when it comes to other associated media or items. If kids would get a hold of DVDs of 18 rated games, why not apply EXACTLY the same rule to films then?

Is it simply because films are part of the status quo and games are not? (Relatively to the older generations, that is)

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Quote: "Her argument is that allowing games into the country that have adult content in them won't keep them out of the hands of children, who will find a way to get them."

I really find this funny, she does know whats the Internet right? Even if the games somehow never get into the country, what is to stop the children from getting it from the Internet, be it by buying it off digitally, courier, or even torrent it off some sites, legality aside. To the above statement, I can argue that neither does not having the rating keep it out of the hands of children, who still will find a way to get them.

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Yeah, but this way it's not their fault ,it's the "ebil vidya games industry circumventign parental authority that parents never want to excercize anyway"

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"Using the classification criteria for films, R18+ games would have no restrictions on themes ... Given that it's practically impossible for even the most conscientious of parents to keep their children away from exposure to portable R18+ items like DVDs and games, how can it be possibly claimed that this would be better for children?"

 

 

By parents being parents and taking the games away. Or not giving their kids the money to buy them. Or keeping tabs so their kids don't get fake IDs. SIMPLE.

This person is certainly one to speak of propaganda. Class-A Hypocrisy.

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It's pretty sad when a government says that even good parents aren't good enough to protect their own children from something that isn't even a real threat to them.

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Yet kids are getting these games anyway when the publishers contest it to get the R15 put on it instead of the R18. I guess they want this problem to continue so they can bitch about it later.

My guess is that she's one of those who is too busy bitching about other kids to raise her own kids.

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I have this to say to her:  "Yes, they are using propaganda.  Welcome to politics ma'am."

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Re: R18+ Opponent Accuses Australian Gamers of Using ...

"If there's an R18 rating, then these harmful games will be available for any child to play!"

You know what that's called?  Propaganda.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: R18+ Opponent Accuses Australian Gamers of Using ...

Yet many games that would have otherwise gotten an R18 are now in the country with an R15 rating, waiting on the shelves for kids to buy them.

Re: R18+ Opponent Accuses Australian Gamers of Using ...

This, funny that they don't see the hypocrisay in that statement....or they do and just don't care like most anti-gamers.

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Exactly. What a hypocrite.

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I didn't realize that "gamers" were some sort of second class citizen that should be disdained and ignored. From her rhetoric, I gather she thinks of such people as some sort of morally depraved sociopaths. People who play games should take a back seat to political agendas. After all, they're not really people.

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