Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

April 13, 2011 -

Garry Newman, the man behind the popular Half-Life 2 mod, added a tiny surprise for anyone that pirates the commercial version of his modification: a secret error message. The Garry's Mod creator said via twitter that he had "Just enabled this error in GMod today. It happens when you pirated it. Having fun watching people complain."

When pressed by the community about it further, Newman said "I don't think the error isn't going to boost GMod sales. I just like to give people that paid something to be smug about."

The error message only happens in the pirated version of the mod, with the user's 64-bit Steam ID also forming part of the message. Newman has also taken the liberty of banning pirates from his forums.

It is certainly an interesting way to handle piracy and a method that most can't disagree with. After all, why would there be a public outcry about picking on people that stole your game?

Source: GI.biz


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Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Hold on ... just because someone may be running a pirated version of a product doesn't mean they didn't pay for the product. They may have some special reason for running a pirated version, like trying to run the game portably on a university computer from a USB drive without needing admin privileges to install it for example. I paid for the Command and Conquer "war chest" but if/when I ever play that game I still run a pirated copy of Red Alert 2 in order to save my discs from spinning and wearing themselves out. The fact that you may be running a pirated copy doesn't necessarily mean you didn't pay for a product.

 

I don't have Garry's Mod. Not pirated, not legitimately, not at all. My computer sucks too much to run it. But I'm just observing that running a pirated copy and neglecting to pay for a product are not mutually necessary conditions. Given the possibility that this may be inconveniencing legitiamte customers through false positives and the undisputable fact that it will not, in the long run, stop piracy (it is ultimately ineffective and causes unintended problems) shows that this is an unwise decision.

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Agreed. The "for the laughs" part of the argument works, but that's about it. Even if he catches 20 person on his forums that did copy illegally the game for everyone who has a legitimate reason/is a false positive, the fact you are hitting innocents in the crossfire makes this a poor tactic.


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However, it's not like they aren't fixing it for people that actually paid for it, so it really isn't THAT big of a deal, IMO.

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Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

So instead of not running people over with the bus in the first lace, you run them over then apologize and all is well.

Whatever.

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

LOL @ the excellent "running people over" analogy

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"It is certainly an interesting way to handle piracy and a method that most can't disagree with. After all, why would there be a public outcry about picking on people that stole your game?"

Because of false positives.

Copy protection mechanisms like this are good for a laugh and a quick dose of schadenfreude at anyone stupid enough to pirate a game and then ask for help on the forums, but they're usually circumvented quickly.  They don't stop pirates for long, but they may affect legitimate users who trip them through bugs.

Take a look at Zeke129's post, above: it looks like it's already happened.

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Heh.  This reminds me of the Earthbound anti-piracy coding.  If you pirated Earthbound, then at the very last boss the game would glitch.  When you restarted, you'd find all your saves deleted.  So the pirate invests hours into the game only to find it unbeatable.

Anyway, good for Gary.

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

And so, Earthbound was never pirated.  The end.

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Epilogue: Earthbound is still one of the best games of all time.

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Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

And, thanks to piracy, people can play it without paying through the nose for a used copy with a battery that may or may not work.

Don't get me wrong, I'd happily pay for Earthbound on VC if it were available.  But it isn't, and I believe piracy is justifiable in cases where a work is out-of-print.

That's a whole other can of worms, though...

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

"piracy is justifiable if I don't get things my way, right now."

Fixed that for you.  Piracy is never justifiable.

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Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Yes, it sure is easier to argue with a strawman than it is with what I actually said.

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There are developers who will argue that if the game is made unavailable, pirating it is acceptable. In my opinion, if the game WERE made to be available, pirates wouldn't have a real reason to do so. Before GOG.com came along, many of the games they have made available were considered to be out of print and abandoned by the publisher. You can't sell a game that isn't available for sale, so the pirating of the game couldn't lead to a lost sale, and no economic harm is done to the publisher.

But if it is available, then yes, piracy cannot be justified.

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Agreed. One of the few times I pirated it was a game I couldn't get to play otherwise.

I know there are a ton of SNES and NES gems that will never see release on any of the networks.

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I'm a member of the official forums and I have to say it was downright hilarious watching this unfold in real-time. Unfortunately, it seems a legit user or two was caught in the crossfire as I remember a thread about someone getting the error despite being able to prove that they purchased the game.

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About to check myself though I haven't gotten any error messages, none that i woudln 't nomrally get anyway.

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With the sense of entitlement that fuels so much of piracy, I wonder what sort of fits and retaliation they are going to threaten.   

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Anonymous will probably be along shortly.

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Simply for a game like Garry's Mod? I think Anon would side with Garry on this one. Most of the people who pirated that game are under 15 years of age. Plus, why would Anon take on a indie devlopper?

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Because anyone who doesn't give everything away for free is evil and a threat to human freedoms in Anonymous's eyes.

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Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Talking about some FUD...Anon attacks people who try to prevent people from using their freedoms.

Thus far they have taken on the government and other CC companies for attacking Wikileaks, the latter aiding the government.. This does not match your statement, as they were attacking 1st amendment rights.

 

Second they are taking on sony, not for charging for products, but because sony is attacking people for opening up their own machinees.... It would be the same as if you went to best buy and bought a windows machine, then windows sued you for removing windows and installing linux.

 

 

Again, not an attack for what you state... So WHO have they attacked for not giving stuff away free?

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

"It happens when you pirated it. Having fun watching people complain."  ...Newman has also taken the liberty of banning pirates from his forums.

So, people who stole the game are hitting up the official forums to complain?  Wow.

 

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Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

You are surprised? Honestly as far as real bugs go having ALL users report back can only help the company more quickly identify problems, of course in this case the bug was intentional.

I understand why developers and publishers dislike piracy but I don't know if alienating your user base like this is the best way to try and control it. A lot of the time pirates who get enough money or find they like the game can be convereted into paying customers.

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

They aren't alienating the user base.  They're alienating people who stole the game.  As such, they're alienating people who have no legal right to be playing the game, and have no right to be complaining about bugs in the first place.

And, as has been stated before, ten bucks isn't a lot of money for a game.  If you have to steal a ten dollar game, you have much bigger problems in life than a lack of money, and should probably spend their time gaming going after more constructive pursuits.

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"They aren't alienating the user base.  They're alienating people who the software says stole the game."

FIFY.

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True, but it's not like there's a massive number of false positives here, or that things aren't being fixed for those caught in a false positive.

Considering there's be ZERO false positives if there weren't self-absorbed, greed pirates, there's only one group of people to blame anyway - the pirates.

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"Considering there's be ZERO false positives if there weren't self-absorbed, greed pirates, there's only one group of people to blame anyway - the pirates."

Not at all.  There'd be zero false positives if the code wasn't in there in the first place.

Of course pirates are indirectly to blame.  And Garry is DIRECTLY to blame.  Fortunately, he's been very responsive on the issue and has helped the users who tripped false positives, but this is still an exercise that hurt his customers.

Re: Garry's Mod Creator Toys With Pirates

Garry's Mod costs $10: getting "enough money" to buy the game is hardly a difficult task. The mod's also been out for years now, so if it's about trying the game out, the window has certainly closed.

Plus, we're talking about a lone developer, not corporate money-grabbers behind a $60 big-budget title. Give the man his due or suffer the long arm of the law.

 
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Conster...and even the more stubborn and annoying ones are downright pleasant when compared to IronPatriot's behavior. His behavior is harassment regardless of whether it's aimed at pro-GG or anti-GG people, and it has to stop.05/30/2015 - 8:55am
ConsterMechaCrash: is this about Goth_Skunk's complaint against IronPatriot? Because while I'm anti-GG and strongly disagree with a lot of the stuff the pro-GG people on here say, most of them disapprove of harassment, even if it's 'in the name of GamerGate'...05/30/2015 - 8:55am
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InfophileBut hey, I'm not a mod here. It's up to them05/30/2015 - 7:36am
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ConsterSpeaking of non-video games for a second, I'm seriously disappointed in people for re-electing Blatter, and disgusted by his speech afterwards.05/30/2015 - 6:32am
ConsterHe's at least 5 times as bad as GS.05/30/2015 - 6:31am
Goth_SkunkEIC of Gameranx apologizes for his recent conduct: http://ow.ly/NDBxn Frankly, I'm surprised this wasn't posted sooner.05/30/2015 - 6:31am
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MattsworknameWell, best of luck on that, but im not holding my breath.05/30/2015 - 5:04am
Goth_SkunkI believe the time to pull the plug was long ago, but kept quiet knowing full well Iron Patriot cannot help themself. There is a mountain of evidence to support my claim. In my opinion, it is harassment, and it needs to stop.05/30/2015 - 4:35am
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