Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

April 13, 2011 -

A mere 48 hours after George Hotz and Sony Computer Entertainment America settled their legal dispute, Sony has put its focus back on PS3 hacker graf_chokolo. According to a report on PS3 hacking site PSX-Scene, Sony has visited the home of graf_chokolo for a second time. According to that report, which is based on a post from the man himself, Sony seized a bunch of computer equipment this time around. Here is what he said on his official web site:

"SONY was at my home today again, with a new TRO against me. They took my whole equipment again and told me to stop my OtherOS project or else …. , guys. They definitely do not want OtherOS back on PS3. They want me to take down all my OtherOS and PS3 utils. Make sure to clone all my GIT repositories. I don’t think you want me to stop, guys, do you ? Tell me what you think."

Sony has neither confirmed or denied the report as true, but it would seem pretty silly for a guy that is mucking around with the removed "OtherOS" functions of the PS3 to lie about it. We will have more on this story as it develops.

Source: PSX-Scene


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Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Funny how in this whole mess, nothing's been heard from them. To be honest, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a super tiny number of people. I installed Linux on my launch 60GB PS3 for kicks when the OtherOS function was around. It's useless. A 10 year old Pentium II runs Linux better than the PS3. It's slow, low res and doesn't even have the capability to play the lowest quality Flash video worth a damn. It's a neat experiment but as a whole, useless for most people.

I personally think it was dumb for Sony to put the OtherOS feature in there to begin with. They're removing it to try to stop piracy and online cheating (which I don't care what twits like GeoHot claim, it is far and away the majority use of it) and yet they never really seemed to have a reason for putting it in there to begin with. Someone clearly wasn't thinking ahead when they added it as it was obvious to most tha tit could be used for nefarious purposes.

I think Sony should have left it in because they added it and if it's being used for bad purposes, that's really their problem and they should have to live with their mistake. That said, GeoHot's an arrogant prat who made priacy and cheating trivial but thinks he gets completely off the hook by going "Well even though I made this possible, I don't support it therefore I have no culpability!" He's as much to blame for OtherOS being gone as Sony is. As far as I'm concerned, they can both piss off.

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Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

In general, just running Linux as a user on a PS3 is pretty useless.

Runing as a programmer though opens up some interesting possibilities.  I has the PS2 Linux bundle and had a ball playing around with the PS2's graphics in ways I never could have otherwise.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

They can put Linux on another computer for free, so I don't see a complaint.

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Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

If I buy something for purposes X and Y, and the manufacturer later takes away my ability to use it for purpose X without any kind of refund... you better believe I am going to complain. If Sony were a smaller company it would be called fraud.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

True enough, but if purpose X was never advertised, and it's not even on the box, and the only way you heard of it was word of mouth, would you still complain? That's part of the argument, is that the Other OS feature was never actively advertised.

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

"Sony removed a feature of my PS3."

There's the complaint.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

"Sony removed a feature of my PS3."

Sony: "It isn't your PS3. It's still ours."

And another complaint. To me this is the issue. The removal of 'OtherOS' is only the top of the iceberg. You shell out $$$ for a videogame system, and they can do whatever they want to it after you buy it? It's like buying it at a yard sell, and the original owner is trying to tell you what you can and can't do with it.

 - W 

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Sony obviously cares nothing about collateral in their own private little war.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

They might if that class action lawsuit succeeds.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

It won't.

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Wow, sounds like they are going after him with both bazookas blazing. It's starting to feel like Sony will be going against the entire hacking community before everything is said and done with. Sony might do good against them individually, but if it is the entire community, would they be able to keep up?

 - W 

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

*Looks down the list of conversations, 3 days later*

...Dammit, Cecil! What have you DONE?!

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

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Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Without getting in to the whole right, wrong, legal, illegal, etc mess, that kinda is the question.

Is this trying to filling a well with pebbles? a pointless fight? regardless of intentions, there will always be people who do this.

I guess if there's a warning for the hacking community its "keep it to yourself", after all i doubt sony would give a shit if someone just hacked their PS3, kept it offline, and did whatever the hell they do with a hacked PS3 without plasting it over the internet where you could be traced/found. Personally if i hacked my PS3 that's what I'd  do. 

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Same here.

...If I owned a PS3, and had the knowlage that is.

 - W

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Therein lies the problem. Hackers tend to be an arrogant bunch. Not saying they all are, just most of them. Once they hack something, they have this involuntary tick where they absolutely HAVE to blab about it to all their buddies, as well as anyone else who will listen. That's how Hotz got into trouble in the first place. Some people don't think 15 minutes of fame is enough. 

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Grif, fortunately most objective people here will see your comment as a blantant generalization and simply discredit your for being uneducated on the topic.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

That's fine. Prove me wrong, then.

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Nice try.  Prove yourself RIGHT.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

I don't have to. If you want me to accept your view, then offer proof countering my statement. Otherwise, I accept my observation as fact.

You're new to this debating thing, aren't you?

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Not at all; I know a classic troll technique when I see one.

I'm not going to do your homework for you, providing research and citations while you sit back and go "Nuh-uh".  You're insulting my intelligence as well as your own.

The purpose of a debate isn't to make the other guy concede -- how many debates have you honestly seen end that way? --, it's to convince spectators.

Your argument consists of telling other people to prove negatives, insisting that addition is the same as subtraction, and now asking me to do your research for you.  I think it's pretty self-evident that you have absolutely nothing to back your case up, and aren't very good at bluffing either.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

I've given my arguments. Your techniques seem to be dodging my questions and trying to find evidence where there is none. You want my evidence? Fine.

Hotz is a hacker. Hotz is an arrogant ass. Hotz couldn't keep his work to himself. Hotz was circumenting the copy protection on the PS3 to bring back a feature Sony Removed. Hotz thought what he was completely innocent of wrongdoing. Hotz folded like a cheap suit when Sony sued him for violating the DMCA.

And again, I didn't say ALL hackers are arrogant, just most of them. I've seen it done time and time again. Hacker does something he thinks is cool, he has to show everyone. If you want more evidence, you're saying this whole case isn't enough for you?

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

Now to impart perspective on you.  This is what you sound like

"

Hotz is black. Hotz is a violent criminal. Hotz couldn't keep from robbing the 711. Hotz has broken his court ordered probtion. Hotz thought what he was completely innocent of wrongdoing. Hotz folded like a cheap suit when his hommies ratted on him.

And again, I didn't say ALL blacks are violent criminals, just most of them. I've seen it done time and time again. Blacks can't control their animal urges, they have no self control. If you want more evidence, you're saying this whole case isn't enough for you?"

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

"I've given my arguments."

No, you haven't.  In the words of Monty Python, "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says."

"Your techniques seem to be dodging my questions and trying to find evidence where there is none."

Wow, project much?

I've cited articles on the Cell used for grid computing, as well as previous cases involving the DMCA's anti-circumvention clause, and the history of hacking and the entire purpose of the GNU Project.  You've cited your own ass.  You've provided acknowledged conjecture, you've demanded that I prove negatives, and you've demonstrated that you don't even know what "qualifier" means.

That nonsense may impress your classmates in sophomore English, but you're not fooling anyone here.

"Hotz is a hacker."

Yes, he is.

"Hotz is an arrogant ass."

That's not evidence, that's just you restating your opinion.

"Hotz couldn't keep his work to himself."

That doesn't mean he's arrogant.  The entire purpose of hacker culture and the free software/open-source movements is to share your work.  Free software advocates believe that sharing is a moral imperative, while open-source supporters say that it produces higher-quality software.  You may believe that sharing is arrogant, but that's not what Mr. Rogers taught me.

"Hotz was circumenting the copy protection on the PS3 to bring back a feature Sony Removed."

This is true.

It's also not something anybody, anywhere has disputed.  It brings nothing whatsoever to the conversation, it simply restates the nature of the case.

"Hotz thought what he was completely innocent of wrongdoing. Hotz folded like a cheap suit when Sony sued him for violating the DMCA."

Which doesn't mean he was guilty, or that he was arrogant, just that he didn't have the resources to stand up to Sony in court.

"And again, I didn't say ALL hackers are arrogant, just most of them. I've seen it done time and time again. Hacker does something he thinks is cool, he has to show everyone. If you want more evidence, you're saying this whole case isn't enough for you?"

That is exactly what I'm saying.  A single example does not prove a majority of cases.  And you haven't even proven that single example -- hell, you haven't provided the barest shred of evidence.  "He told people how to perform a hack, therefore he's arrogant"?  That's tenuous and laughable, even by your sad standards.

You should probably just stop talking, like you have in all the other threads.  Every time you open your mouth you make it clearer and clearer that your opinions are made up from whole cloth and you can't cite a single fact to back them up.

I'll tell you what I told Jedi: go read up on the history of hacker culture and the GNU Project, and maybe you'll learn something.  I'm not going to dig up the links again; I've wasted more than enough time on you.  Find my response to him if you're interested in alleviating your ignorance instead of just flaunting it.

Re: Sony Targets 'OtherOS' Hacker with Second Raid

There is a difference between sharing and bragging. I'm all for sharing free information, that's cool. I love free information. However, what Hotz does is show off, not share freely. Do you honestly think Hotz is one of your "white hat" hackers who have nothing but good intentions? I don't think so. I don't think Hotz would even bother unless there was something in it for him, like fame, or money. 

I don't have anything against hackers in general. Just arrogant asses like Hotz who think they're all big because they know their way around zeores and ones.

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AE: That was uncalled for.  Don't do that.

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

 
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