Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

August 8, 2011 -

Hacking groups Anonymous and LulzSec are doing themselves a disservice with random attacks and need to get more focused in order to accomplish their goals, according to a panel of computer security experts that convened during the DefCon hacker conference in Las Vegas last week.

"We have an opportunity to not just cause chaos, but to cause organized chaos," said Josh Corman, research director at 451 Group. "I’m suggesting the actions in pursuit of their own goal compromise their goal. There’s a way to render more specific what they want to accomplish."

Corman went on to say that these groups would be better off focusing their attention on the more nefarious elements of the Internet such as "child-exploitation sites."

"That’s something we can all get behind," Corman said.

Another panelist seemed unimpressed with Anonymous’s recent hack of defense contractor ManTech International and said that both groups should focus their efforts on finding evidence of government corruption and exposing things like the Collateral Murder video that WikiLeaks published in 2010.

"If you’re going to do this, then find the real dirt," said the panelist, who appeared on stage in disguise (he later revealed himself as security blogger Krypt3ia).

The panel was moderated by Paul Roberts - editor of the ThreatPost security blog, Jericho - a founding member of Attrition.org, and many others.

Krypt3ia went on to accuse the groups of not having any real goals and that their general goal was to simply "smash things."

Jericho called on the community to "build a better Anonymous” that wouldn’t cause as much "collateral damage" from its activities and could have a beneficial effect on the security industry. He also suggested that Anonymous and LulzSec have a role to play in improving computer security by hacking companies that fail to secure their systems even after being warned about it.

Source: Ars Technica

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Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

There's a saying that used to get thrown around 4chan all the time. It's not as frequently used now, but several years back, when the rest of the internet found out about Anonymous and all their hacking exploits, people would jump on 4chan and insist that Anonymous rally and help them with their super hacking skills to deal with all their woes. The proper response was always, "NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY."

There's no point in trying to insist Anonymous should do anything. It just doesn't work that way.

Also, it's incredibly silly to even suggest that lulzsec was legitimate. They copied and bastardized Anonymous MO and then stole some rage faces from reddit, then all they did with it was piss everyone off by shutting down game servers for no particular reason, then disappeared, claiming they had made their point.

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

The problem with these suggestions is that it's operating on the assumption that LulzSec and Anonymous are noble but misguided, as opposed to sociopaths and bullies who occasionally go after someone who deserves it.

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

The reason why they they get so many willing followers IS because those followers think they are doing something noble, or at least, better than the alternative. Very very very few people will do something that THEY consider evil. You may not like them or agree with them, but if you think that they are doing it just because they want to be mean, you are lying to yourself and are not helping either side of the issue.

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

I disagree.  Go onto Youtube and look for any videos made by someone with a physical deformation and look in the comments section.  You will see that sometimes people say and do things just to be assgoblins.  So when groups like Lulzsec does things "for teh lulz" they are literal sad little children who can only derive pleasure from seeing  someone type something angry in response.

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

"if you think that they are doing it just because they want to be mean, you are lying to yourself and are not helping either side of the issue."

 

So because MechaCrash disagrees with you he's lying to himself? And what is the issue? Seems like if he disagrees with their actions he does identify with a side.

-Austin from Oregon

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Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

Oh really? So basically, if I say that people who are voting for the other party are doing so just because they like to terrorize the country, I am not harming the understanding of the issue and I am obviously helping "my side"? A small mind in your head and, well, that's it really.

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

It may not be fair or productive discourse, but attacking the opposition is a political tactic that often does strengthen one side or another. We see it on both sides of the video game debate all the time.

-Austin from Oregon

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Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

Alright, allow me to retract the "small mind" gratuitous attack. I misread your previous post. I'll leave my previous post unedited as well. Still, I do not believe that imagining the mass of Anonymous, both leaders and followers, as stupid assholes will do a lot of good countering them, either short or long term. It might actually make more sense if you have the same goals but think they go about it the wrong way, but this does not seem to be the original poster's point of view.

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

MYTH: Anonymous has leaders.

TRUTH: Anonymous is a headless blob, there are no leaders.  If someone attempts to take a leadership role within the collective, they almost always end up under the bus.

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

That's usually my point. Still, leader in this context refer to:

-those making the tools/scripts

-those beating the forums to drive up the participation to any given event

-those successfully initiating said events and

-those who use the official communication channel, whether they be through zombie means or directly (youtube, twitter, etc.)

Re: Experts: Anonymous and LulzSec Should Focus Their Chaos

I get that, and I agree name calling doesn't help the situation. I do think though that it is a valid position to assume that lulsec and anonymous may just be a group of people enjoying the attention they get from hacking under the guise of activism. A statement that makes much more sense when looking at lulsec.

-Austin from Oregon

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