Serious Sam Maker: Gabe Newell Was Right About Windows 8

No doubt you have already heard that Valve co-founder and top executive Gabe Newell and Mojang co-founder Markus Persson think that Windows 8 is horrible for PC gamers and game developers because it uses a closed app store approach to presenting software to customers. Now Croteam's chief technical offer Alen Ladavac has added his two cents to the discussion. The CTO for the company behind the Serious Sam series said in a recent Steam Community forum post that Gabe Newell was right.

"Gabe Newel did not overreact," he said. "What you don't see here is that, under the hood, the new tiled UI is a means for Microsoft to lock Windows applications into a walled garden, much like the one on iOS. There is this 'small detail' that Microsoft is not advertising anywhere, but you can find it dug deep in the developer documentation."

"One cannot release a tiled UI application by any other means, but only through Windows Store! I cannot even begin to stress out just how horrible this idea is! There is no side-loading, except for corporate use inside one company, and that works only on the enterprise edition of Windows 8. Do we all understand what that means? You cannot download an application from the Internet and run it on your computer. You have to get it from Microsoft's store. Even if it is a free app!"

Ladavac goes on to complain about a new clause that gives Microsoft full control of what appears on the Windows 8 storefront.

"If it was just about 'being downloaded from Windows store', it would not be a problem," he continued. "It would be nice to have a common hub to download things from. But to get an app onto that store, it has to be certified by MS. This means bringing the 'console experience' onto your desktop. Each app that you will get through the Windows Store will have to adhere to certain requirements imposed by MS."

You can read the entire forum thread here. Ultimately Ladavac fears that this certification process that Microsoft is putting into Windows 8 is a bad idea and may have serious ramifications on future iterations of Windows that will harm software developers.

"Certification is a broken concept and should be abolished," he said. "Now, while in current state Windows 8 do look like they support plain desktop apps seamlessly, the removal of start menu and use of 'charms' even on the desktop looks like a pretty blunt attempt to force users to 'get used' to the tiled UI. It would be fine by me if it wasn't for the aforementioned certification issue. So, it is a vicious circle. And not an accidental one. This one was carefully designed to be that way. I say: no thank you, I'll skip on that one."

Source: Destructoid

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    CK20XX says:

    I don't think the concern is over backwards compatibility, but future compatibility. Of course you'd expect all of your old Windows 7 programs to run on Windows 8, but I'm not convinced they want to continue to keep the platform as open as it has been, seeing as they're bent on becoming bigger than Apple. They've had a real berserker mentality going on the way they've been looking at competitors' products and then trying to one-up them, and that doesn't inspire any confidence in them. The Kinect, for example, takes the concept of motion control too far because it forgets that having a prop in your hand, or anything to elevate the experience above pantomime, is important for immersing yourself in the world of make-believe. Right now, Microsoft looks like it wants to be large and in charge, and that's the full extent to which it's thought things through.

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    black manta says:

    This is factually inaccurate.  I had to familiarize myself with Windows 8 as part of my training in my new computer sales job.  We even had an actual Microsoft rep there, and I took the opportunity to pick his brain about Win 8 vis a vis gaming.

    He said any program that could run under Windows 7 will run under Windows 8.  That I assume would include Steam, older games, as well as emulator programs like Steam and ZDoom.  Any program that was depicted as an icon under Win 7 will show up instead as a tile in the start screen.

    Even better news is that Win 8 has a completely new kernel that's much more efficient, unlike the multilayered house of cards that past iterations of Windows was built on.  This means that you can even expect a considerable performance increase in your games, as the new kernel is less resource-intensive.

    Hope that assuaged some fears.

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    DorthLous says:

    Try talking about Microsoft Bob or, even more unknown, Win 97 (never saw the light of day outside of a few test releases and, yes, it was that bad.)

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    lordlundar says:

    you know it's an effective boogie man when even Microsoft would prefer it not to have existed. (largely true story. The Microsoft rep who I dealt with when I worked retail would always respond to a reference to ME with "we don't like to talk about that")

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    Neeneko says:

    Wow.. ME.. now there is a specter I have not seen brought up in a while.

    I guess when you need a boggie man and Vista just isn't mythological enough yet ^_^

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    Mr.Tastix says:

    It's going to be highly amusing when more and more people start wondering why basic software that worked on Windows 7 and below no longer works properly, or at all.

    If I were Microsoft's customer rep team right now, I'd be very, very annoyed.

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    djnforce9 says:

    Microsoft could never totally phase out traditional desktop applications though because there wouldn't be much an adoption rate amongst businesses that heavily depend on them. I do see Gabe's point though in regards to the "walled garden".

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    locopuyo says:

    Windows RT which is the mobile version doesn't allow you to install 3rd party apps so everything has to be through the windows live store or whatever it is called.  People probably will get this version and think they have the same fully featured windows as they do on the desktop and wonder why they can't play any games on it.  

    The none RT versions allow you to install 3rd party apps just like Windows 7 and the previous versions.

    But, like he was saying in the article, the only way to use the new windows 8 fancy metro apps is through the app store. 

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