Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

January 3, 2013 -

A patent application unearthed by a NeoGAF forum post and picked up by Kotaku reveals that Sony has plans to implement a technology to deal with the use of used games on more than one console. It was rumored before that Sony had plans to deal with used games on its next-generation console currently referred to as the PlayStation 4 or "Orbis." This new patent certainly seems to be a step closer to making it so that a new game will be tied to the first console it is used on. The patent describes the use of an RFID ID stamped onto new discs that would be used expressly for tracking their usage history and restricting further use to one console.

The abstract description is:

"A game playing system includes a use permission tag provided for use in a game disk for a user of a game, a disk drive, and a reproduction device for reproducing the game. The disk drive reads out a disk ID from the game disk. When the game is to be played, the reproduction device conveys the disk ID and a player ID to the use permission tag. The use permission tag stores the terms of use of the game and determines whether a combination of the disk ID and the player ID conveyed from the reproduction device fulfills the terms of use or not."

The patent application number is 20130007892, and is called "ELECTRONIC CONTENT PROCESSING SYSTEM, ELECTRONIC CONTENT PROCESSING METHOD, PACKAGE OF ELECTRONIC CONTENT, AND USE PERMISSION APPARATUS." Yes, it's a mouthful. You can read the whole thing here.

Source: NeoGAF, Kotaku

 


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Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Best case I can see is that this gets used for review copies only, so as to cut off one potential source for pre-launch leaks to torrent sites.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Sony could do this is they were in the #1 spot. They're not in the #1 spot so if they attempt this it could likely be their swan song.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

If you mean "rendering used games unplayable" I don't think it matters what place you're in.  I wholeheartedly believe that any console that tries that (assuming it's the only console of the bunch to do so) will suffer such a consumer backlash that it will be forced out of the market.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

I think so, too. Or at least be a very painful generation. Sony's had a few false starts and rough years lately, but the other two have been steady enough I think they would survive the mistake as long as they corrected it.

Thing is, as I've said before, people don't build libraries of games anymore - besides a favorite or two the old games get cycled back to buy the new ones. The trade in is part of the whole process of ownership for most gamers, we actually figure it into the price.

Taking it away would roughly double the cost of my gaming - no cheaper purchase option, no taking advantage of trade in bonuses to bring new release prices down, no powering through short games and selling them before the price starts to drop (or getting them used and abusing the 7 day return policy).

Or rather than double the cost, I'd just buy fewer games. Or consolidate even heavier onto the X-box, since I already didn't feel like I got my money's worth out of my PS3 or PSP.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

You guys just wont give this up, will you?

As reported elsewhere, this technology is not about used games....

Oh what the hell is the use anymore. Believe what you want. The nice thing about this kind of shit is that all we have to do is wait and see.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Do you have links? So far the only official information is the patent itself. As far as I am aware, Sony has not made any statement one way or another.

That said, this technology could very well be used to hinder or eliminate used sales. It could be used to hinder in much the same way as online passes were. It could be used in an attempt to eliminate as is stated. Until it is put in practice, we have no idea what Sony's true intentions are for this technology.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

And that is IF it's ever put into practice. Having the patent doesn't mean it will be used.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Sony are smarter than to use this technology, for the first couple of years, at least.  They will probably use this to track distribution of legal vs. illegal copies.  Each disc will have the information of where it was printed and who printed it on what device from the factory.  It may even be used to stop illegal copies from being used, but that runs the risk of disabling a legit copy.  The only problem with adding yet another type of DRM into the mix, they are doubling the number of ways that pirates can use to override the DRM.

If they do implement the no-used-game DRM, it won't help sales, it will hurt them.  For example, person X buys 20 games a year, but only has the money for 15 new games, and 5 used games.  Not only will they buy less games a year, the lack of trade-in credit lowers their ability to buy new games even more.  This penalizes the legitimate customer, but it has no effect on pirated copies.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

And for people that don't want this, I imagine that it will be cracked by the time it starts being a legitimate issue for used sales.

PC gaming effectively eliminated used-games sales as everything moved online, did PC-Gaming die? Not at all.  BUT you see a LOT more sales going on now, and many many more games being released at low cost-points.  In the end I think this was a good thing, even though there's not a very effective way to transfer PC games.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

It hasn't eliminated used sales, maybe in stores, but not overall.

What else it has done though is made it much easier to trade/share titles as well.

STEAM has a fine setup allowing the trade of titles in your library for titles in other players libraries, or even monetary gain, or STEAM wallet funds.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Well, I'm not going ot echo all the doom and gloom I'm seeing here.

 

The optimistic side of me thinks, or hopes, that Sony is only getting this so no one else can try it. However apaprently knowing they have the patent is enough for some, and it's getting more obvious that whoever does this is sabotaging their own console devision.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Optimistic? Try naive. Them patenting this won't stop others from using a different scheme.
--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

While true, it means Sony can take them to court over it.

And like I said, I'm not going to write the console off until I know if they're going to use it or not, and if they do, I'll wait until they inevitably disable it.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

No, it doesn't mean that at all - DRM has existed for years, which is just as effective if not moreso at preventing used game sales as this would be.  Are you saying that Sony can now sue Ubisoft and will win?

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Seriously Sony... don't you have enough issues? There are 'fixes' to this - not buying your stuff.

So if i take my game to a friend's house to play - I can't, right? What if my console dies and I replace it? What if I just want a new console? DID YOU EVEN CONSIDER that it may not be the game that's traded and it might just be a new console???

Unless I buy an Xbox, WII, or just PC Game?

Doesn't matter - I could still sell the console and all the games as one big bundle - this is fail all around.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Uh...

From the Gamasutra article "That tag could then be read by the console it is being played on and tied to a user's account information to determine, as the patent says, 'whether a combination of the disk ID and the player ID conveyed from the reproduction device fulfills the terms of use or not.'"

So it;s not tied to the console, but the player's ID.

-Mrxknown_JG-

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Which means it's likely tied to an always-online setup, otherwise it won't prevent sharing or copying.
--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Which means if, or when, your internet goes out, you'll either be unable to play or be kicked out of your game. WIth the service outages I get, well, I'll say I've had Wow sessions interupted mid battle.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Enjoy dead last, Sony. You better have some seriously awesome exclusives to make people want to buy into this scheme.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

I hate exclusives too, lol - but that being said...

I have never sold a single video game - as I like to keep them... just because I don't consider what I get for 'used' worth it.

That being said, i want the OPTION to play the game on any console - a friend's, a new one.. I mean, OFTEN my nieces and nephews come over my house - and bring their games.

So if they buy a new PS - they have to bring the whole damn system? If only one of them comes over and wants to play a specific game - then the others are shafted because he took the PS3 - that or he can't bring his game to my house to play - because Sony is stupid.

This makes me SERIOUSLY consider dumping the PS platform for Xbox - in spite of the high failure rate of their consoles - but at least I can use them as I want and if friends or kids bring over their games - they can play them.

Epic stupid Sony - you come up with GREAT ideas and then shoot yourself in the foot with 'control' stupidity.

Remember BetaMax Sony - think about it.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console


Wii U most popular gen-8 console confirmed.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Had it, liked it, didn't love it. Gave it to my nephew.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

What games did you play?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

Its not the games themselves, nor the lack of launch games as some think.

But rather the clunky primary controller with a screen that can NOT be turned off (while the controller is in use), has a shallow battery life (tops maybe a couple hours or so...), and how for other games you either need more of these behemoths, or to use far inferior wii controllers.

When your controller is the size of the console itself, maybe its time to just make another hand held device...

The on screen interface and also having other peoples messages pop up was annoying given i had no friends listed, and yet more forced on, unable to remove, menu items taking up space.

Overall though is the systems step behind nature. Like the Wii, this thing is clearly going to fall behind and become nothing more than a quarky dust collector for many. Even with nintendo's laxing up on their mature content restrictions they are clearly held to the stigma.

And despite it can be turned down (possibly off?), the annoying beyond all hell background noise. those chimes, pings, pops, and squeeks. That just consistently play while the system is in use. I'll give MS and Sony point there in that theirs are suddle, often quiet or quick. Hell by default they make no standing noise while idle. But the Nintendo ones are glaringly loud and really like to grind my tinnitus.. Heaven forbid a headache is in the room upon anyone, or its nearly as bad as having a bull horn to the ear.

 

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

So... what games did you play?

"But rather the clunky primary controller with a screen that can NOT be turned off (while the controller is in use)..."

Your parenthetical comment tells me you know the screen can be turned off when the GamePad is not being used.  What exactly is your complaint?  You want to play New Super Mario Bros. U (one of the few that doesn't use the screen) with the GamePad but want the screen to be off?  Why?  Battery life?  Is the movement distracting?

"and how for other games you either need more of these behemoths"

No you don't.  In fact, no games currently released or announced support a second GamePad.  Further, I fail to see the problem with needing additional controllers for additional players.  Not wanting to use a Wii Remote as player 2 is understandable but most multiplayer games for the Wii U play to that controller's strength or can use the Classic Controller Pro.

"The on screen interface and also having other peoples messages pop up was annoying..."

You can turn that off.

"and yet more forced on, unable to remove, menu items taking up space."

Not sure what you're referring to.

"Even with nintendo's laxing up on their mature content restrictions they are clearly held to the stigma."

Nintendo hasn't had restrictions on mature content for about two decades.

"And despite it can be turned down (possibly off?), the annoying beyond all hell background noise. those chimes, pings, pops, and squeeks. That just consistently play while the system is in use."

No idea what noises you're referring to.  Doesn't sound like your referring to the fan or disk drive noise of the console itself.

(Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to make you second guess your decision or tell you that you're wrong.  I'm just genuinely curious about many of your comments.)

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

I'm definitely in thr 'liking-not-loving' camp, but the lack of games that interest me that I don't already have on PC is a big part of that. I got five games right now, plus my Wii library, but I know how launches go.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

More people should know that. It kind of irks me how much people have been judging consoles by launch titles, and usually the qauntity of them.

Re: Report: Sony Patent Uses ID to Lock Software to One Console

I know a console brand i'm no longer interested in...

 

 
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