Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

February 21, 2013 -

Eurogamer delivers bit of good news this evening from Sony Worldwide Studios head Shuhei Yoshida: the PlayStation 4 will not block used games. Catching up with Yoshida a few hours after last night's two-hour PS4 press conference, Eurogamer asked him directly if Sony had any plans to block used games on its newest console:

Eurogamer: So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, you're not going to stop them reselling it?

Yoshida: So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?

Another source at Sony told the publication that the patent that was thought to be associated with the PS4 actually has nothing to do with the new console. That patent called for discs to be branded with a contactless tag that could be read by a console, which would then bind it to that system and prevent it from being used on another system. But the Sony source said it was not related to the PS4 at all.

Source: Eurogamer by way of Andrew Eisen

 


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Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

I've been a dedicated Xbox fan since 2001, but if they remove the ability to buy used games, I will totally shift to PlayStation.  A console fan can only be as loyal as the console is to the fan.

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

Tell the truth I'm not to worried about them trying to eliminated the used game market. Unless they move to download only anything they try to do to stop used games would be illegal and violate the first sale doctrine.

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

So, how come the way PC games are sold aren't illegal?

 

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If a console forces players to be online, as the Xbox is rumored to do, then it's conceivable that forcing digital distribution in eminent.  And apparently screwing the customer out of resale rights would become the norm.  Because before you download a game it'll give you some crap about it being non-transferrable, click yes to agree, click no to go back to having a $400 paperweight.

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I can't say it nicely, anyone who thought this recycled rumor from 2005 just because of a patent was going to happen is an idiot. angry It's not going to happen with the next XBox either, there are far too many major issues to even try and risk it.

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

This almost guarantees that neither will the next Xbox. Almost.

Sony and Microsoft are trapped in the prisoner's dilemma here: Both have said they want to do something, but they need to do it simultaneously or not at all, or the one that doesn't will have a crushing advantage over the one that does.

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And if they both did it people might flock to Nintendo.

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

Apparently PSN purchases don't carry.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/21/psn-transfers-ps4/

 

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

That's a plus in my book. However, with the two hour presentation they gave, they didn't really divulge many details aside from "We have a controller here for a console we're going to come out with and here are some developers who are on board."

- Physical media forever!

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

And yet the released details on the Ouya isn't much more yet people are clamoring for it.

Funny that.

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

WTF are you talking about? I have my dev. OUYA sitting right next to me...

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

Other breaking news from Sony:

PS3 is backwards compatible with the PS2

PS3 can run Linux

Why, as a consumer, should I trust their promises?

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

Well, the launch hardware was.  They just stopped making that version.

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

Actually, the drop in Linux support was across the board whether you bought a launch console or the slim. That shows that if Sony can do anything anti-consumer with a firmware update, they will.

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True, and that was pretty shady of them, but the firmware update could be ignored, thus the hardware as shipped still had that capability.

I guess my point is that they promised features, released a console with those features, and then later versions (firmware and hardware) did not. But if you had an isolated first run console it could still do the things they claimed it could do.

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Except access the Playstation Network. That was the ultimatum from Sony. Keep the OtherOS option and lose online play and everything else that involves PSN or ditch OtherOS and keep playing online and getting future features.

Pretty crappy choice but they knew what the majority of PS3 owners would pick.

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And forgo new disc-based games. Don't forget games can include firmware updates.

 

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Thinking about it, yeah, I can agree that was a breach.  They promised the machine could do both, and later restricted access so you could have one or the other only.

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So Revision 2 won't run used games then? The point still stands, they've broken promises a plenty.

 

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Quite possible.  It is also possible that the PS5 will not run used games.  Promises have scope.  As long as the initial purchasable model can play used games then their initial statement will be accurate.  Changes made later are another issue.

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PS 5, whatever.

What guarantee exists, right now, that used games will work on PS4 throughout their lifetime. Untill they put out a legally binding promise, there's absolutely no reason to trust them.

 

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Wow, did someone not predict almost this exact thing.....? Who could that have been?

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Backwards compatibility is still a huge issue with me. Another huge issue is whether ill be able to import the digital games I already bought.

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You kids today and yer backwards whatsits.  Back in my day we could only play games on the system the were made for, or with special accessories.  And every time you bought a new Sega system, you plugged it into the old one and needed three power strips just to power the whole mess.  And we had to deal with the size constraints of cartridges and CDs, not these newfangled Blu-Rays with their infinite compacity.  Now get off my lawn!

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You had CDs? Get off my lawn

 

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

I know you're trying to be humorous, but to be fair, the Atari 7800 was fully backwards-compatible with the Atari 2600 (but not the 5200 - that system sucked anyway). So "back in my day" applies sometimes, but not always. smiley

- Physical media forever!

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

I agree, "Native" Backwards Compatibility is also a huge issue for me, especially because I have a good deal of PS1, PS2 and PS3 games both physical and digital on hand another issue is how are they going to import the save files(PS1/PS2/PS3) from my PS3 to PS4 in addition to digital games that could be imported by sony to the new console

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Personally, I am more concerned about the digital library I built up than I am about disc based compatibility. Sony has already shown with the direction they went with the PS3 that backwards compatibility is not a priority outside what  can be done with software emulation. That is why the current crop of PS3's only have PS1 games on them.

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

So the tabloid scaremongering turned out to be tabloid scaremongering? Shocker.

/b

Re: Sony: PS4 Will Not Block Used Games

I don't know why anyone would have thought otherwise.

Console makers have a strong motivation not to block used games -- the minute one of them does so, their competitors can go "hey, you can play used games on our console" and gain market share without needing to put effort into it. Game publishers would have a motivation to support it, but if they can't get all the console manufacturers to join in they lose far more in "nobody's buying the console we're releasing our used-sale-proof games on" than they gain in "we make money off every sale of our games on this console". (And that's without taking videogame rentals into account.)

What we're far more likely to see is a stronger push towards digital sales, including making the downloadable copy of a game available for sale at the same time as the boxed copy. Even then,  though, it's going to be a while before it would be possible to kill off used games entirely -- I mean, some people still try to buy non-Steam copies of their computer games when the option exists.

 
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