Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

June 12, 2013 -

Last week, Microsoft revealed that the Xbox One requires internet access and that used game sales are subject to the whims of publishers.  You will not be able rent or loan your games at launch and there's no guarantee you ever will.  You can give a game to someone else but only if the publisher allows it and even then, the recipient must have been in your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

Mostly unpopular policies, to say the least but before we started decrying the end of Xbox, most of us waited to see what Sony was doing with the Playstation 4.  If both consoles employed similar DRM schemes, it's possible gamers might just put up with it in order to play their favorite games.

Or maybe everyone would give both companies the finger and buy a Wii U.

But that's not what happened...

That series of nut shots was capped off with the announcement that the PS4 will undercut the Xbox One's price tag by a cool $100.

So, gamers of impeccable taste in websites, how big a deal do you think this is?  Have Microsoft's DRM decisions DOOMED the Xbox One?  Will gamers, intolerant of such restrictions, turn their backs on the console and flock en mass to its competition?  Will Microsoft have to change its policies to avoid a disastrous launch or will the average gamer not be bothered by this stuff in the first place?

Heck, maybe Microsoft's DRM policies are the reason you've decided to go Team Xbox this generation.  And if that's the case, we really hope you leave a comment or send us an email at SuperPACpodcast@gmail.com and tell us how this stuff could possibly be floating your boat.

This Saturday, at 1p PST/4p EST, EZK and I will host a special E3 edition of Super Podcast Action Committee and you're invited!  We'll reveal the poll results, discuss your opinions and spend an hour (or two or three) yammering on and on about E3.  We'll be streaming the show live so we hope you drop by and hang out with us.  Keep your eyes on GamePolitics for more details as we figure out what the hell we're doing!

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Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

xbox one is doomed 

yes...because of this dm bullcrap

 

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Someone save Microsoft from themselves.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I am offended that you would even compare this... -thing- to a Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was a -good- console.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Which pretty much died out once the Playstation 2 was launched...hence the comparison I suppose.

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

How is it even a comparison?

Dreamcast- a solid system designed by a company in dire financial trouble which is still supported to this day by modders and homebrew developers which Sega is gracious enough not to pursue legally, and to this day is still considered one of the best (in some cases, -the- best) console ever released.

X-Bone- Hasn't even come out yet and it's pissed off damn near everybody, without comparing its specs to any other modern system and based on policies -alone-, to say nothing of the bland release titles with thinly-veiled nickle-and-dime tactics behind them.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

You're reading way too much into the comparison. It's basically saying that the Xbone will die from a Sony system like how the Dreamcast died due to a Sony system. The different aspects of the Xbone and the Dreamcast have nothing to do with it.

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I don't see how it can't work out for Microsoft. We on this website are interested in the companies and politics that build our games and game hardware. The rest of XBOX live does not. Just think about all of the mouth breathing misogynistic Call of Duty and Halo players out there that would offer their firstborn child to be able to play the next COD / Halo game in 1080p 60fps. At the same time they dont give a rats ass about the DRM or online requirements. They alone can make the XBOX One a sales success and I am pretty sure this is what Microsoft is betting the farm on.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Here's the problem. MS's XBox One business model seems to require hordes of rather uneducated uninterested ignorant consumer types who pay no attention to the world around them. But it requires that they have full high speed broadband.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I suspect we will have a 'build it and they will come' situation.  It is hard to guess what 'most' consumers will do, but many choose a console (or not) based off what games are available (or they perceive to be available), so the real question is can Microsoft convince game companies that people will buy the console?

I also think that if Microsoft can make good on some of their pie in the sky features that they mentioned as part of why they are going 'all digital' actually materialize.  For instance if they ink a deal with Netflix (or produce a similar internal market) that lets you rent games for cheap, then that might get people's attention.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I don't understand why everyone just sidesteps Sony's past issues like they are any better than Microsoft.  You've had Sony BMG rootkits, then with the PS3 they disabled features via firmware updates, their servers were unsecure to the point of being breached and customer private information was stolen.  In addition, the PS3 was phoning home to Sony, showing they have pretty much a similar mindset on taking data from the console as Microsoft, given people's fears of the Kinect being 'always on.'

All this talk about how Sony is 'for gamers' seems a bit rediculous.  They are actually just out to make more money, and right now the current fad is to say you're not going to restrict used games.  If it happens that they think they'll be able to make more money restricting them, you bet they'll drop that stance in a heartbeat, and I wouldn't even put it past them to silently flash your console to do it too.

Consumer trust is a joke, people are willing to put up with too much. If people had half a mind or wanted to look at the actual consequences of what was going on they would have already given up on Sony/Microsoft consoles.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Sony's music division (SME) is for all intents and purposes a completely different entity from SCE. I don't necessarily consider Microsoft's actions in the late 90's regarding anti-competitive practices to be held strongly against the Microsoft of today, and particularly, against it's games division. Not that it's completely separate, by any means.

On the other hand, I am celebrating how Microsoft is being relentlessy mocked at the moment. Even if Sony is the corporation that is ultimately going to profit, it is, I think, a nice object lesson of a corporation allowing short-sighted, bottom-line thinking hurt their product with anti-consumer objectives. In a perfect world, Microsoft would realize their mistake, and rather than us all having to say "well, we may have to pay for online multiplayer for the PS4, but at least it's way better than the XBox One," we would be able to say "Microsoft really fixed the situation by not making us pay to play games online; even though they blundered initially, they're now offering a better (or at least more competitive...) deal than the PS4." I can hope, right?

On the other side of the coin, Sony could have easily turned around and done everything Microsoft did, minus a little bit. It was win-win for them, they chose to eviscerate Microsoft--because they stand to make more money from higher market share than they do from nickel-and-diming the consumer with penny ante bullshit.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Sony at least apologized for the outage, and to the point they gave away free games. Unlike MS whom just blew off all unexplained downtime with excuses (wasn't long ago they were down for a couple days, and on/off for most players for WEEKS... MS was tight lipped the whole time.), despite people PAY to use their online services for little in return, where PSN gives you things. Hell, PSN doesn't require a PS+ just to use other subscription services, XBL does :/ you'd think the net bill and service bill would be enough, but now you need to tack on rental fees for an unnecessary component in XBL.

the removed feature was barely utilized and tbh nearly pointless. While stupid to have removed it, its only missed by a few.

and it still let you play offline permanently, no need to login ever if you didn't/don't want too.

Sony as at least had the balls to admit they've made mistakes rather than try to turn every one into the customers fault, or try twisting it into a false "necessity" like MS is doing here.

 

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Seems like a lot of people seem to agree with your sentiment that Sony has learned from the things it's done.  I don't think their newfound sentiment towards gamers is very sincere, and only think it's a response to the intense internet backlash over Microsoft.  For everyone's benefit I hope I'm wrong, but I'm absolutely not buying a console within the first 6 months of them coming out, and I'll be hard-pressed to even consider any of them beyond that due to what both of them have shown in the past.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

The whole mocking tone showcasing the PS4's ability to sell and trade used games is one thing. But look deeper and farther back and notice some other more subtle changes. SONY's reaching out and very open attitude towards Indie developers is a major development. Especially when contrasted with MS's treatment of same. It actually does seem to reflect a major change in overall mindset and not just a matter of marketing oportunity. 

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

By that logic we might as well not have a PC, since they're just as liable for the same issues as pretty much everything else...
“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Microsoft's anti-used game agenda reminds me of a quote you hear in the movie THX 1138.

"For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized."

 

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I'm not sure it will be doomed to failure, it's more that it's ended up being designed for the average consumer market rather than the rather vocal minority that is the hardcore gamer, in the same way that the Wii was designed for the family rather than the individual gamer. Unfortunately the people who will answer the poll tends to be this vocal minority, who will often go to the extreme end of the decision rather than actually investigate the middle ground or the business decisions behind the XBone. True, DRM is a major point of contention to the gamer, but do you honestly think the casual gamer or the married couple is really going to care? After all, thanks in part to the Wii, gaming is much more mainstream now than it's ever been, hardcore gamers probably don't even make up half of the consumer-base that the XBone has been designed for.

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

You bring up a fair point about the DRM. However, the mainstream, the people who bought into the Wii, are also price savvy people. They bought into the Wii because of 1) Media hype about the revolutionary way to interact with games and 2) a $250 price. The XBone lacks both of those factors. The XBone doesn't seem to be able to gain positive mass media attention and it is priced at $500, twice what the Wii was at launch.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

considering the PS3 was $600 at launch and how that did overall, I'm not so sure price is that big a problem

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Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Launch sales were anemic though. Sure they did fine after several years of sales, console revisions, price reductions, etc. But those first two years were pretty darn crap. But honestly, price was about the only thing wrong with the PS3. The XBone has a lot more wrong with it beyond price. That I think will hold it back for far longer, if it ever recovers.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

To be fair though, it did have to go through a series of price revisions before its reception improved. That blu-ray ultimately beat hd-DVD as the defacto disc format helped too...

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

True, but the question of the poll is whether the DRM policies are what is dooming the XBone, not the price of the console on initial launch or the gaming lineup. If the XBone is to be doomed, I honestly doubt that it's because of the DRM, to be brutally honest, since the target market that XBone appears to be marketed for probably won't even worry about it.

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

For $500, wouldn't you want to know more about what you are purchasing? Do you think someone will just say "Wow! A New XBox! Let's buy it! It is only $500!" and not do any research into its features and functionality? I certainly don't. I know of very few people who buy any electronics without even a cursory look at what it does. Those that I know who do buy without investigation do so out of hype and hipness factors.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Oh, they'll worry about it. Once the auth server is down there will be a shitstorm.

 

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Yeah, but they'll already have bought the console by then. :-)

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

And how many more games do you think will be bought after that point? Tossing something that actually lost MS money into storage is not going to help them get money back on additional purchases.

That's also assuming it's not within the return period of the store. Launch day is going to be problematic.

 

 

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

A lot more than you think, since the average consumer doesn't typically log into the Internet and start screaming about how they'll no longer buy anything from MS only to buy the next Gears of War or Call of Duty that comes out. What amounts to a days downtime to the hardcore gamer usually amounts to about an hours downtime to the average consumer because that's pretty much how much time per day they'd spend using the console (and not necessarily for games either) and an hours pretty much nothing to get worked up about.

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

They buy the next CoD and it doesn't work because the servers are slammed.

They buy the next Madden and it doesn't work because the servers are slammed.

Even puppies learn after getting smacked on the nose enough.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Damn, that's some paranoia on the reliability of servers you've got there...will you feel the same if the gamepolitics servers get slammed so you can't post anymore? EDIT: Oh and skip the downranking, you're only doing it out of spite because you can't respond to the conversation in a professional way...

“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Damn, that's some paranoia on the reliability of servers you've got there

Paranoia? I don't think so. Halo 4. Diablo 3. Sim City. And many many more. There is never any guarantee that a game that requires and online connection will work properly out of the gate. Very few notable ones have.

Also, Down ranking is merely a showing that someone does not agree with your statement. There is no contract, implied or otherwise, that says they have to have a typed response to back the down ranking up.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Heh. Loved the bit about the down-voting. Guess someone is projecting his paranoia? :P

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Huh, I didn't even know that the Halo 4 servers even went down at one point until today. Guess I didn't play it enough for me to even notice...
“How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?” ― Stephen Fry

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

they were wonky for WEEKS after release, and have gone down several times, or had problems repeatedly, since. Always seeming to need to be fixed for some reason.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I think that the Bone may see some decent initial sales based on the strength of brand loyalty, combined with people trotting out the old "aren't you always online anyway lol" argument. This will come to a screeching halt when the inevitable Sim City style meltdown hits and everybody is locked out of their games because Microsoft's servers fucked up.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Doesn't even need to be anything that drastic.  People loan games to friends, and when they start realizing that they can't do that on the Bone, there are going to be a lot of pissed off people.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

Perhaps this Draconian behavior will actually encourage groups like anonymous to go after their servers.  I kinda hope they do so I can point and "Ha! Ha!" like Nelson.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

"This will come to a screeching halt when the inevitable Sim City style meltdown hits and everybody is locked out of their games because Microsoft's servers fucked up."

Which could easily be Day 1.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I'd be willing to bet its the first few weeks.

mass launches like that never go well.. even in singular high ranking games for the first few weeks the MP is mucked up and terribly laggy, glitched, or just not working.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

As a longtime Xbox fan.. yes.

Not a big fan of the BS they try to pull with windows as it is, but this is literally a new kind of low, and it hasn't worked for anyone else of yet.

So how do they expect it to work?

Even STEAM now allows the trade/resale of most titles in their lists, not that that's stopped people from selling whole accounts before.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

not sure where you are seeing that you can resale titles on Steam. I certainly can't, and there's a suit in germany for this issue if I'm not mistaken.

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

you can "trade" a number of titles, and through this sell them.

Not all work with it, but IIRC at the least all Valve titles do. Region locked maybe?

Re: Poll: Has Microsoft’s DRM Policies Doomed the Xbox One?

I can in Canada, maybe 1/25th of my 1000 game library, it is still new.

 
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