Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

July 29, 2013 -

While the editorial pages at many gaming websites are featuring opinion pieces on how the Internet is a pretty nasty place for creative types, not everyone agrees. Of course all this soul searching and hand ringing is related to Polytron's Phil Fish saying over the weekend that he has cancelled further development on Fez 2 and has quit the games industry after a public dust-up with Marcus Beer (also known as Annoyed Gamer over at GameTrailers).

One of those differing opinions comes from Zeboyd Games. You may know them better as the creators of such hit RPGs as Breath of Death VII, Cthulhu Saves the World, Penny Arcade's On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 3, and the recent Penny Arcade's On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 4. In the post, Zeboyd Games says that making something popular will always have its fair share of haters no matter what, but engaging them is a waste of effort and energy.

Instead Zeboyd encourages ignoring them:

"Yes, if you make something popular, you will get your share of haters. But unless you’ve made some serious mistakes, the haters will be far outweighed by the supporters.

It’s easy to engage with the haters and hate back, but that just escalates the problem. If some says something negative, either ignore them or try to disarm them with a kind & humble response. You’d be surprised how often not retaliating and being kind can defuse an ugly situations. And if that doesn’t work, definitely ignore them – no point in wasting your life worrying about someone who is being irrational and trying to offend you.

'He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool.' – Brigham Young

It’s easy to focus on the negative and ignore the positive. Don’t. When someone takes time out to say something nice about you or your work, try to respond back, even if it’s just a simple “Thank you.” You should spend most of your community interaction time with your fans, not your detractors.

Seriously, just be nice. It’s not always easy but it’s easier than the alternative.
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The short post was in response to the Penny Arcade Report editorial, "Swimming in a sea of shit: Phil Fish and the Internet’s war against creatives."

Source: Zeboyd Games


Comments

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

I agree with almost everything said here, except the Brigham Young quote.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

What do you not agree with on that quote. Just curious as I agree with it completely.

To further elaborate on the quote, if you take offense at something not meant to be offensive, you are choosing to be offended and are thus a fool. If you take offense when someone is trying to offend you, you are a fool because you fell into their trap.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

But a MORMON said it!  Ooooooooh, scaaaaaaary!

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

I don't think that is what he was disagreeing with.

Additionally, a Mormon wrote the opinion piece that GP is reporting on. So again, I don't think religion is at play in the disagreement.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

Rest assured, there are definitely more than a few things wrong with Brigham Young, but this is not the issue I have with the quote. It doesn't feel applicable, nor conducive to the article. People -will- get offended when the n-word is used, for example, regardless of if it's being used to fish for a reaction (something Phil Fish certainly did). The article deals with the reaction, yes, but the quote doesn't, and seems to suggest that people who get emotional when they are offended are fools simply because they're human enough to be affected by such drivel.

I'm not going to tell a middle-school student that he shouldn't feel bad when someone verbally gets on his case. Realistically, it solves nothing. Young's quote (or at least, the way you interpret it) forgets that emotional reaction is just something the human species does either way, and interpreting a personal, emotional reaction as being the mark of a "fool" is pretty insensitive, regardless of if the reaction is a result of someone trying to be intentionally offensive.

The rest of the post is fine, though, because at least it offers advice on how to deal with it, regardless of how you feel about it.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

Interesting. I think the quote fits into the rest of the article quite well. The article is about being actively engaged in positive interchange with the community rather than getting involved in the seedy underbelly. The quote fits that quite well since it is targeting those who choose to involve themselves with that which they find offensive. 

I agree that it is impractical to tell people to "not be offended". However, I think it more important and more prudent to advise people to avoid situation, wherever possible, that they will become offended. If it is not possible to avoid such situations, such as on a public forum like Twitter, then one's time should be devoted to fostering positive interchange as Zeboyd has suggested.

It is tough to avoid being offended, but I feel that it is a personal choice to be so. Once people start realizing that, you can be surprised how few offended people there will be.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

I don't know... People threatening to kill and rape family members seems like it's not so optional. Same goes for a prominent game blogger who ask colleagues to drop and stop mentioning people he doesn't like, basically killing their jobs...

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

And those are extreme outlier situations. Nearly 100% of those types of threats have no basis in reality. They are empty threats. So again, the best thing to do is to ignore the bad and focus your attention of the good.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

Nearly 100% and outliers acknowledge that while rare, the worrisome events are *still* part of the set, and when they are hidden in thousands, if not millions of similar threats and screams, then you ignore the lot at your peril (as some developers who had their home looked up or phone called could tell you.) Pretending otherwise is not lofty, it is foolish and makes abstraction of real life and human nature. It isn't because it is a famous quote that it is true, no more than atoms are indivisibles.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

Yes bullies are real. Yes they do make their way from the internet to the real world from time to time. But treating every single case of online bullying as a potential real life threat will make you go crazy. I just see no value in validating those type of people. It is not good for your own mental health to do so. 

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

I completely agree with that. I'm just not ok with the blanket statement that they should be completely ignored. That's the other end of the spectrum and leaves you open to dangerous outliers. Like most things in life, a balanced approach, mostly concentrating on the positive, yet acknowledging the danger of the negative seems like the best option to me.

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

It is tough to avoid being offended, but I feel that it is a personal choice to be so.

Is it? If I were told that all latino americans were subhumans that need to be deported, is it my "personal choice" to be offended, having been born into a latino-american family?

I think it more important and more prudent to advise people to avoid situation, wherever possible, that they will become offended.

Certainly, there are situations where one can expect to be offended, but realistically you can be offended anywhere, without expecting it. I didn't expect a 80 year old woman to spit in my face at a Wal-Mart simply for being who I am (a dude going shopping who just happened to be latino). And while one could reasonably argue that such an occurrence is, at best, exceedingly rare, should I be marked a fool for being offended by the situation, regardless of if I should have expected it or not?

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

If I were told that all latino americans were subhumans that need to be deported, is it my "personal choice" to be offended, having been born into a latino-american family?

Yes. Yes, it is your choice to be offended by that remark. That comment has no real impact on you until you choose to have it impact you. That statement is a statement of no consequence. By choosing to let it have a personal consequence on you, you are choosing to be offended.

And while one could reasonably argue that such an occurrence is, at best, exceedingly rare, should I be marked a fool for being offended by the situation, regardless of if I should have expected it or not?

Again, I would say yes. That person clearly has severe personal and potentially mental problems. So you are choosing to be offended because someone else is incapable of rational thought. What does that say about your rationality if you are offended by others' irrationality?

I am not trying to belittle you or your experiences. I am simply trying to illustrate how our personal actions and reactions to external stimuli are within our control. We have the ability to choose whether or not something offends us. 

Re: Zeboyd Games: There is no Internet War on Creatives

it is your choice to be offended by that remark.

Then I apologize for being latino. =\ I'm sorry if having a slightly darker shade of skin and being born into a culture I enjoy makes it feels hurtful when someone tells me or my family that I'm a subhuman, that I should be removed from the very country my own father served by being a Marine. Maybe I simply have a bit more respect for myself and my family than you think I should have.


"should I be marked a fool for being offended by the situation, regardless of if I should have expected it or not?" Response: Again, I would say yes. That person clearly has severe personal and potentially mental problems. So you are choosing to be offended because someone else is incapable of rational thought.

Huh. Well, -this- is bullshit. So -I'm- a fool because -you- think that anybody leveling unfounded hatefulness is "incapable of irrational thought"? Rick Santorum is currently in a position of power, and while his intelligence in other fields of society and science is piss-poor, he knows -exactly- what he's saying when it's demeaning to other people. That you would make an excuse for him and others by adopting an attitude that says "Oh, well it's -your- fault for being offended" is the reason why anti-bullying campaigns are popping up across the nation. And it's not a huge leap from there to those few groups that sprung up in return that tell people "well, they should just keep quiet about who they are and what bothers them". And then you top it off by saying...



I am not trying to belittle you or your experiences.

No... you're attempting to -minimize- both, so I guess that's not the same thing. No wait, your support of the quote would still have me marked as a fool. And while you may be correct that "our personal actions and reactions to external stimuli are within our control", pretending that what we say or do doesn't have an effect on the people around us is delusional- actually having no clue is sociopathic.

 
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