Submitted by AM - September 26, 2007 at 9:05 am -050012.145.63.2
"There’s a perception among the creators of media… that if for any reason, you are unable to market your wares in the manner you desire, you are being “censored.” …no one’s stopping you from making the game you want to make. But the customers — the retailers — aren’t always buying what you’re selling."
I have to disagree with this. Simply because the censorship doesn't come from the government doesn't mean it's not censorship. No console maker allows AOs, and as of now, retailers won't carry AOs. He calls retailers the customers, which is completely incorrect. Retailers buy the product, but only to resell it to the actual customers. Had Manhunt 2 with an AO rating been something Take2 could've gotten to market, I suspect it would have sold. It wasn't given the chance to get to market that way. They could've released it uncut for PC, but at a massive hit to the returns on their investment in the game. If there's no MARKET for the title, and you go out of business trying to sell it, that's not censorship. If your market is cut off from you by forces other than the market itself (the console manufacturers, and retailers), then it's censorship. Saying, "Sure, make your AO rated game, we just won't let you actually sell it!" is very little different from saying, "Make your AO rated game, and we'll fine you out of business." The latter is overt, but the former is more pernicious.
All that said, I find Manhunt (and virtually every other Rockstar game) repugnant. I'd just rather have the market tell them that, than the console manufacturers.
Posted 07/24/08 at 07:39am sortableturnip: Best...comments...ever: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2008/07/06/jack-needs-your-help.aspx?pg=5&view=threaded
Posted 07/24/08 at 05:42am sortableturnip: Alteffor: I 2nd that motion. GP you should have a special section for all of JT's correspondence to you
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:13pm GRIZZAM PRIME: Lunatic: Nope. Ever fading if I'm not mistaken.
Posted 07/23/08 at 08:05pm LuNaTiC: is there a way to view old shouts? sorry if its a noob question.
Posted 07/23/08 at 07:07pm gamepolitics: momma didn't raise no sock puppet
Posted 07/23/08 at 06:15pm Rodrigo Ybáñez García: Jack is a repressed man. Don´t be surprised...
Posted 07/23/08 at 06:07pm GryphonOsiris: So Jack admitted paying for gay porn... all I can say is wow... just wow...
Posted 07/23/08 at 05:09pm lumi: to the case, and he's been on 60 minutes once!
Posted 07/23/08 at 05:09pm lumi: GP, you should mention you'll be filing a legal injunction against him if he doesn't comply. Phoenix Wright will be attached
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:32pm Alteffor: You should add a section to the site for anything Jack CC's to you. It's always entertaining to read the stuff he writes.
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:31pm Matriculated: Does anyone know when the Supreme Court reaches their decission?
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:04pm Freyar: I demand to see this letter! (Not that I have any grounds to demand on.)
Posted 07/23/08 at 02:53pm gamepolitics: JT called me a "sock puppet" in an e-mail to Hal Halpin... i gave him 24 hours to retract it, LOL
Posted 07/23/08 at 02:46pm Haggard: Might want to take a look at what Anthony Horowitz wrote about GTA IV in the Telegraph, article seems to have been taken down
Posted 07/23/08 at 01:05pm Silencets: Beutiful. I always did wonder about Jacko Wacko
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:24am Matriculated: So Jack (an anti-gay activist) PAYED for gay porn
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:22am Matriculated: [i]...and purchased membership.[/i]
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:21am Matriculated: [i] few months later, as part of his ongoing campaign against Kent, Thompson followed links to gay porn on Kent's website[/i]
Posted 07/23/08 at 07:40am sortableturnip: Jack's at it again: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2008/07/jack_thompson_faces_permanent.php
Posted 07/22/08 at 11:22pm PHOENIXZERO: Ugh, that CNBC program "Play to Win" is it? Is on again...
I have to disagree with this. Simply because the censorship doesn't come from the government doesn't mean it's not censorship. No console maker allows AOs, and as of now, retailers won't carry AOs. He calls retailers the customers, which is completely incorrect. Retailers buy the product, but only to resell it to the actual customers. Had Manhunt 2 with an AO rating been something Take2 could've gotten to market, I suspect it would have sold. It wasn't given the chance to get to market that way. They could've released it uncut for PC, but at a massive hit to the returns on their investment in the game. If there's no MARKET for the title, and you go out of business trying to sell it, that's not censorship. If your market is cut off from you by forces other than the market itself (the console manufacturers, and retailers), then it's censorship. Saying, "Sure, make your AO rated game, we just won't let you actually sell it!" is very little different from saying, "Make your AO rated game, and we'll fine you out of business." The latter is overt, but the former is more pernicious.
All that said, I find Manhunt (and virtually every other Rockstar game) repugnant. I'd just rather have the market tell them that, than the console manufacturers.