Submitted by Coravin - October 2, 2007 at 6:28 pm -050075.111.150.250
Ummm...why is Grossman still going on that videogames are used to teach soldiers to overcome their innate distaste for taking a human life (which is something he claimed existed)? They aren't.
Soldiers do more drilling now, with the variety of weapons they are expected to use and actual ammunition, and this makes firing their weapon at threats more automatic. They are also drilled in means of recovering their weapons from a misfire, permitting them to put a blocked weapon back into play so they can use it again. Not to mention how Grossman's studies compare firing rates of older, less reliable weapons (like the musket) to today's weapons. Semi-automatic weapons mass produced are easier to care for and fire repeatedly.
Military's version of laser tag helps teach teamwork and strategy, including terrain use; military's range firing teaches proper gun control and accustomizes soldiers to the feel of actually firing the real weapon; military's video simulations teach teamwork and awareness of (virtual) enemies; military's indoor ranges (video simulations without the soldier moving) provide scenarios to accustom soldiers to the types of situations they might be most likely to face in their combat arena.
Nowhere in this list does desensitization or dehumanization come into play. Which anybody who's actually been involved with the military since the video simulations came into regular play as training tools would know, unlike Grossman. Who stoops to blaming videogames for increased anti-police violence because they're found in gang hideouts frequently, when the age range of gang members puts them securely within the age range in which videogame systems are almost saturated, making it extremely unlikely (and notable if) they WOULDN'T have a game system amongst a gang.
It's already been said, but blaming videogames for increased gang violence against cops just because the videogames are present is almost as ridiculous a logical fallacy as would be blaming a DVD player. The existence of two things together DOES NOT tell us that one caused the other. And I thought that youth violence continued to plummet while adult and repeat-offender violence, particularly against cops whose kill ratio has also drastically increased, is on the rise. Maybe I read that wrong, but even if I did, that makes Grossman's argument no less predicated upon an unfounded and ignorant logical fallacy.
I wonder why he keeps delving into the extremist anti-videogame attitudes when there's no actual support for them and he had a greater influence when he was being moderate...did he get converted by JT (and I don't mean to Christianity, a belief system to which JT obviously does NOT subscribe)?
Posted 07/24/08 at 07:39am sortableturnip: Best...comments...ever: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2008/07/06/jack-needs-your-help.aspx?pg=5&view=threaded
Posted 07/24/08 at 05:42am sortableturnip: Alteffor: I 2nd that motion. GP you should have a special section for all of JT's correspondence to you
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:13pm GRIZZAM PRIME: Lunatic: Nope. Ever fading if I'm not mistaken.
Posted 07/23/08 at 08:05pm LuNaTiC: is there a way to view old shouts? sorry if its a noob question.
Posted 07/23/08 at 07:07pm gamepolitics: momma didn't raise no sock puppet
Posted 07/23/08 at 06:15pm Rodrigo Ybáñez García: Jack is a repressed man. Don´t be surprised...
Posted 07/23/08 at 06:07pm GryphonOsiris: So Jack admitted paying for gay porn... all I can say is wow... just wow...
Posted 07/23/08 at 05:09pm lumi: to the case, and he's been on 60 minutes once!
Posted 07/23/08 at 05:09pm lumi: GP, you should mention you'll be filing a legal injunction against him if he doesn't comply. Phoenix Wright will be attached
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:32pm Alteffor: You should add a section to the site for anything Jack CC's to you. It's always entertaining to read the stuff he writes.
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:31pm Matriculated: Does anyone know when the Supreme Court reaches their decission?
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:04pm Freyar: I demand to see this letter! (Not that I have any grounds to demand on.)
Posted 07/23/08 at 02:53pm gamepolitics: JT called me a "sock puppet" in an e-mail to Hal Halpin... i gave him 24 hours to retract it, LOL
Posted 07/23/08 at 02:46pm Haggard: Might want to take a look at what Anthony Horowitz wrote about GTA IV in the Telegraph, article seems to have been taken down
Posted 07/23/08 at 01:05pm Silencets: Beutiful. I always did wonder about Jacko Wacko
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:24am Matriculated: So Jack (an anti-gay activist) PAYED for gay porn
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:22am Matriculated: [i]...and purchased membership.[/i]
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:21am Matriculated: [i] few months later, as part of his ongoing campaign against Kent, Thompson followed links to gay porn on Kent's website[/i]
Posted 07/23/08 at 07:40am sortableturnip: Jack's at it again: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2008/07/jack_thompson_faces_permanent.php
Posted 07/22/08 at 11:22pm PHOENIXZERO: Ugh, that CNBC program "Play to Win" is it? Is on again...
Soldiers do more drilling now, with the variety of weapons they are expected to use and actual ammunition, and this makes firing their weapon at threats more automatic. They are also drilled in means of recovering their weapons from a misfire, permitting them to put a blocked weapon back into play so they can use it again. Not to mention how Grossman's studies compare firing rates of older, less reliable weapons (like the musket) to today's weapons. Semi-automatic weapons mass produced are easier to care for and fire repeatedly.
Military's version of laser tag helps teach teamwork and strategy, including terrain use; military's range firing teaches proper gun control and accustomizes soldiers to the feel of actually firing the real weapon; military's video simulations teach teamwork and awareness of (virtual) enemies; military's indoor ranges (video simulations without the soldier moving) provide scenarios to accustom soldiers to the types of situations they might be most likely to face in their combat arena.
Nowhere in this list does desensitization or dehumanization come into play. Which anybody who's actually been involved with the military since the video simulations came into regular play as training tools would know, unlike Grossman. Who stoops to blaming videogames for increased anti-police violence because they're found in gang hideouts frequently, when the age range of gang members puts them securely within the age range in which videogame systems are almost saturated, making it extremely unlikely (and notable if) they WOULDN'T have a game system amongst a gang.
It's already been said, but blaming videogames for increased gang violence against cops just because the videogames are present is almost as ridiculous a logical fallacy as would be blaming a DVD player. The existence of two things together DOES NOT tell us that one caused the other. And I thought that youth violence continued to plummet while adult and repeat-offender violence, particularly against cops whose kill ratio has also drastically increased, is on the rise. Maybe I read that wrong, but even if I did, that makes Grossman's argument no less predicated upon an unfounded and ignorant logical fallacy.
I wonder why he keeps delving into the extremist anti-videogame attitudes when there's no actual support for them and he had a greater influence when he was being moderate...did he get converted by JT (and I don't mean to Christianity, a belief system to which JT obviously does NOT subscribe)?