Submitted by nightwng2000 - November 20, 2007 at 10:28 am -0500
One argument about the Rights of the people to make demands of their government because of disagreements is the idea of "majority rule".
"Majority rule" and "Democracy" sound all well and good. EXCEPT...
People don't realize the idea of a "winner" and a "loser".
If the "winners" are those who support, in one fashion or another, censorship of things they don't like or the forcing of their own personal/religious beliefs upon others. The "losers" loose their Rights to their own Freedom of Speech, their own Rights to their own personal/religious beliefs, and are denied other Rights as the case may be.
However, if the roles of "winner"/"loser" were reversed:
Those who "lost" still retain their own personal/religious beliefs, and are still allowed to not HAVE to participate in that which they do not agree with. And the "winners" still retain their own Freedom of Speech, as well as are allowed to enjoy their own personal/religious beliefs without requiring the "losers" to participate, and so on.
The fact is, when it comes down to it, this amounts to demands that one segment of US society must give up a portion of their Rights because another group believes that, while they, themselves don't have to participate, that NO ONE ELSE has the Right to participate either. It's the same with a great many controversial issues.
"Majority Rules" has long since been an idea of subjegating others to a form of dictatorship over the "minority". Offering one's opinions is one thing. Making demands that other's Rights (through petitions among other activities) is the attempt to subjegate a group of individuals who participate in something the "majority" chooses not to.
The ESRB HAS being doing it right, right enough anyway, as they are not the end-all-be-all resource for individuals or Parents any more than the MPAA rating system or the TV rating systems are the end-all-be-all ratings systems for their media. Even the MPAA rating system went through changes over time, but the government shouldn't be dictating what is or is not appropriate for the individual or anyone else's children. The government needs to stop playing politics with the Rights of citizens, changing and interpreting those Rights as a campaign sees fit. If anyone is guilty of causing confusion with the rating systems, it's the politicians.
Posted 08/21/08 at 04:15pm GRIZZAM PRIME: Hot damn, the Trolls must've taken some troll steroids...they are all over today.
Posted 08/21/08 at 03:03pm Talouin: @ZippyDSMlee: Yea, that game has a really high learning curve fun when you got the hang of it but the SE developers need a kick
Posted 08/21/08 at 02:45pm ZippyDSMlee: Talouin:I quit FF11 3 months after I started, is a horrible game from top to bottom.
Posted 08/21/08 at 02:28pm Talouin: @SimonBob: I have never been happier I quit FFXI last month until now.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:59pm ZippyDSMlee: Boyycotting only works when sheeple care, the masses have to want to care about subtleties, in general they do not thus why corporate gets as far as it does. However boycotting can raise a fuss and the bad PR might make them take note.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:20pm SimonBob: There's a full explanation of the FFXI PW fight up: http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/17133.html
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:16pm Talouin: @Quander, That fight is brand spanking new. People just don't know how to do it yet.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:06pm AM: @GP: Boycott is unlikely to be effective due to how few people would be aware/participate. That said, I boycott EA over their "3 installs then buy another copy" copy protection, so I can't say it's NOT a good idea.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:06pm GryphonOsiris: @Scribe, just read that. The reports are saying that is was a targeted killing. Odds are a bully, gang related or something.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:03pm SimonBob: I just glanced over some of the companies' game lists; turns out I was already boycotting three of them anyway.
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:53pm DarkTetsuya: @scribe999 yeah I heard about that, and I *thought* I saw a vulture circling the area...
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:53pm DarkTetsuya: @scribe999 yeah I heard about that, and I *thought* I saw a vulture circling the area...
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:36pm gamepolitics: is a gamer boycott of atari, codemasters, topware and the other 2 UK firms who are extorting file-sharers a good idea?
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:19pm scribe999: Another school shooting...this time in Tennessee. Terrible news. And I'm sure there's much hyperbole to follow.
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:10pm sortableturnip: hehehe ;)
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:09pm DarkTetsuya: @sortableturnip I'm totally putting what you said as my sig :P thanks!
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:02pm sortableturnip: OMG JT speaking in front of another BS group: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2007/09/04/
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Posted 08/21/08 at 11:50am Neeneko: @Quander - I"m not all that familiar with FFXI, but maybe this mob just requires more gank? or there is a trick? larger group?
Posted 08/21/08 at 07:54am sortableturnip: The "smoking gun" is the Florida Bar dropping its insurance coverage from Nationwide
Posted 08/20/08 at 05:19pm jccalhoun: it would be interesting to hire a detective to investigae Jacko and find out his "smoking gun"
"Majority rule" and "Democracy" sound all well and good. EXCEPT...
People don't realize the idea of a "winner" and a "loser".
If the "winners" are those who support, in one fashion or another, censorship of things they don't like or the forcing of their own personal/religious beliefs upon others. The "losers" loose their Rights to their own Freedom of Speech, their own Rights to their own personal/religious beliefs, and are denied other Rights as the case may be.
However, if the roles of "winner"/"loser" were reversed:
Those who "lost" still retain their own personal/religious beliefs, and are still allowed to not HAVE to participate in that which they do not agree with. And the "winners" still retain their own Freedom of Speech, as well as are allowed to enjoy their own personal/religious beliefs without requiring the "losers" to participate, and so on.
The fact is, when it comes down to it, this amounts to demands that one segment of US society must give up a portion of their Rights because another group believes that, while they, themselves don't have to participate, that NO ONE ELSE has the Right to participate either. It's the same with a great many controversial issues.
"Majority Rules" has long since been an idea of subjegating others to a form of dictatorship over the "minority". Offering one's opinions is one thing. Making demands that other's Rights (through petitions among other activities) is the attempt to subjegate a group of individuals who participate in something the "majority" chooses not to.
The ESRB HAS being doing it right, right enough anyway, as they are not the end-all-be-all resource for individuals or Parents any more than the MPAA rating system or the TV rating systems are the end-all-be-all ratings systems for their media. Even the MPAA rating system went through changes over time, but the government shouldn't be dictating what is or is not appropriate for the individual or anyone else's children. The government needs to stop playing politics with the Rights of citizens, changing and interpreting those Rights as a campaign sees fit. If anyone is guilty of causing confusion with the rating systems, it's the politicians.
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