Submitted by E. Zachary Knight - December 28, 2007 at 4:46 pm -0500137.240.136.86
I think I will chime in on the whole welfare debate going on here.
I am by no means incapable. I have no disabilities and am fairly inteligent. I am able to provide for my family. I can buy them food, insurance etc.
But that was not always the case. Shortly after getting married, I started going to scool full time and working full time (mostly). The only job I was able to get that fit around my class schedule was a $10 an hour job. I was living in Arizona at the time and living expenses are pretty high ther. My two bedroom apartment was running at $650 (the cheepest for the size). My wife was pregnant and we were a one car family. My wife was unable to work so I was supporting my family completely. My paycheck went completely to bills. We had no money left over for food or insurance. So we had to go with food stamps and medicare to beable to provide for my family. Had I opted not to get medicare and went with the insurance through my work, I would not have been able to pay all my bills.
During this time I had two kids and only a dollar raise at my job. So my situation did not improve. Sure I could have quit school and looked for a better job, but that would have severely limited my long term prospects.
Long story short, had it not been for food stamps and medicare, I would not be in the position I am in now after graduating. I am able to buy a house, insurance and plenty of food for my family. Had I opted to quit school to get my family off those programs, I am not sure what I would be doing, but I doubt that it would be anything as nice as I have now.
Now I am not the norm. When I was in the DES office waiting to turn in paperwork and such, there were plenty of people who were either incapable or unwilling to better their own circumstances. We even over heard conversations between people about how to scam the system. That is th kind of stuff that made me sick.
But still there are plenty of people like me who are working to better their life and the life of their family but need temporary assistance. That is what these programs are supposed to be for. They are supposed to be a temporary solution. But abusers have turned it into their only means of provision.
I don't think that those programs need to be dumped. They are important. But I do think that they need to be switched to state run programs and have the federal government get their noses out of it.
Posted 08/07/08 at 06:58pm SticKboy: @ Muninn - next time, eh? :) Cool handle btw - like Huginn & Munnin?
Posted 08/07/08 at 06:03pm Muninn: it was not my intent to offend, nor to come across as patronizing as i now realize i must have. it was a poor attempt at humor.
Posted 08/07/08 at 05:59pm SticKboy: No, I was merely apologising for assuming he wasn't British in a previous retort. But hey, if you're spoiling for an argument... comments like yours make me think otherwise.
Posted 08/07/08 at 05:17pm ZippyDSMlee: Muninn:fanboyisim FTW!! :P
Posted 08/07/08 at 05:16pm Muninn: @stickboy: are you trying to say that you can only be reasonable with people from the UK?
Posted 08/07/08 at 01:56pm SticKboy: @ beemoh - I apologise profusely for assuming you were North American all this time. It makes half of my replies to you ignorant beyond belief. In future, I'll take a more reasoned stance.
Posted 08/07/08 at 01:54pm beemoh: You're coming to the UK, GP? Awesome- let me know when that happens :D
Posted 08/07/08 at 01:14pm SimonBob: You should swing up to Ottawa sometime, the Tories don't bite (much) ;D
Posted 08/07/08 at 01:00pm GryphonOsiris: @GP, you should take up Black Velvets when you are there 50% Guiness, 50% hard cider. They are heaven.
Posted 08/07/08 at 12:56pm Pominator: GP there is a pub opposite my college, bad planning I think, Stuart reckons it is genious!
Posted 08/07/08 at 12:10pm gamepolitics: never had that before with an embedded video here
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:45am Dark Sovereign: @GP: I suspect for the same reason that youtube videos do. They're on autoplay.
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:42am gamepolitics: omg, why does this video start when you load GP?
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:41am gamepolitics: pom, I go where the Guinness flows... LOL
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:38am Pominator: a bit early for me to start creating your itinerary then?
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:34am gamepolitics: I think my first stop should be a college in Miami...
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:16am Pominator: Hey GP, you should definitely speak at my college in the UK! it has been rated the second best college in all of England! N&CC
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:12am gamepolitics: LOL... So much history!
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:09am SticKboy: Ah well, hopefully at some point in the future then. Although, why anybody would want to visit ol' Blighty for a holiday is beyind me... I suppose you have a thing for bad food and worse weather?
Posted 08/07/08 at 11:05am gamepolitics: stickboy, tourism, I'm afraid on this upcoming trip
I am by no means incapable. I have no disabilities and am fairly inteligent. I am able to provide for my family. I can buy them food, insurance etc.
But that was not always the case. Shortly after getting married, I started going to scool full time and working full time (mostly). The only job I was able to get that fit around my class schedule was a $10 an hour job. I was living in Arizona at the time and living expenses are pretty high ther. My two bedroom apartment was running at $650 (the cheepest for the size). My wife was pregnant and we were a one car family. My wife was unable to work so I was supporting my family completely. My paycheck went completely to bills. We had no money left over for food or insurance. So we had to go with food stamps and medicare to beable to provide for my family. Had I opted not to get medicare and went with the insurance through my work, I would not have been able to pay all my bills.
During this time I had two kids and only a dollar raise at my job. So my situation did not improve. Sure I could have quit school and looked for a better job, but that would have severely limited my long term prospects.
Long story short, had it not been for food stamps and medicare, I would not be in the position I am in now after graduating. I am able to buy a house, insurance and plenty of food for my family. Had I opted to quit school to get my family off those programs, I am not sure what I would be doing, but I doubt that it would be anything as nice as I have now.
Now I am not the norm. When I was in the DES office waiting to turn in paperwork and such, there were plenty of people who were either incapable or unwilling to better their own circumstances. We even over heard conversations between people about how to scam the system. That is th kind of stuff that made me sick.
But still there are plenty of people like me who are working to better their life and the life of their family but need temporary assistance. That is what these programs are supposed to be for. They are supposed to be a temporary solution. But abusers have turned it into their only means of provision.
I don't think that those programs need to be dumped. They are important. But I do think that they need to be switched to state run programs and have the federal government get their noses out of it.