Submitted by Fact Alert - March 3, 2008 at 7:16 pm -050012.207.116.28
@Soroki: In both the PC and the PS2 game, it's been confirmed and reconfirmed that the content was already on the disc. As Timson notes, PS2 disc images cannot be altered to include new content, so the content's existence on the PS2 disc is solid proof.
Before the game went into final production, Rockstar decided not to include the Hot Coffee content in the release build of the game. Rather than removing the content directly (which, in retrospect, would have been a good idea), the programming team flipped a few bits around in the code to prevent the conditions for accessing the content from ever being satisfied if the game were played as intended. For all practical purposes, the content was locked, it would never be seen, and the problem was solved.
However, modders don't just play games through normal means - they use various tools and methods (the details of which I won't go into) to look at how in-game content is encoded, make their own content either by (a) re-arranging existing parts in the game, such as custom levels and gametypes, or (b) writing new objects of their own, such as custom textures, weapons, or items. Patrick happened to be the first modder to notice the Hot Coffee content while examining the game, and as such, is credited with discovering it. Let's be honest - if he didn't find it, someone else would have eventually. Bravo for being #1, though.
So before you fire off accusations that modders make content and lie about its origins, do a little research to understand how things work. Because when you don't know what you're talking about, you just make an ass of yourself.
Posted 07/24/08 at 01:45pm Dark Sovereign: A fitting metaphor lumi
Posted 07/24/08 at 11:21am lumi: their own. Looks like they're arguing with ghosts...
Posted 07/24/08 at 11:20am lumi: Ooh, and to prove the validity of their arguments, they've deleted all the comments from the gamers/outsiders, and just left
Posted 07/24/08 at 11:20am lumi: Wow...there's worse invective and vitriol on that first feminist site's comments than in most gaming forums I've read...
Posted 07/24/08 at 11:19am SimonBob: You guys can read the feminist blogs? One of 'em has over 1400 comments -- my browser locks up when I try to load the page!
Posted 07/24/08 at 10:49am M. Carusi: That's probably the message to describe hardcore feminism in general. :P
Posted 07/24/08 at 10:35am Tom90deg: Meh, it seems like most of the comments are "I'm right, and it you don't agree with me, you're a girl-hating masonogystic pig!"
Posted 07/24/08 at 10:30am M. Carusi: Those comment walls on the feminist blogs complaining about FP are generating some hilarious content.
Posted 07/24/08 at 08:48am E. Zachary Knight: @ lunatic, What you see is what you get. Once a comment gets pushed off it is gone forever.
Posted 07/24/08 at 07:39am sortableturnip: Best...comments...ever: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2008/07/06/jack-needs-your-help.aspx?pg=5&view=threaded
Posted 07/24/08 at 05:42am sortableturnip: Alteffor: I 2nd that motion. GP you should have a special section for all of JT's correspondence to you
Posted 07/23/08 at 10:13pm GRIZZAM PRIME: Lunatic: Nope. Ever fading if I'm not mistaken.
Posted 07/23/08 at 08:05pm LuNaTiC: is there a way to view old shouts? sorry if its a noob question.
Posted 07/23/08 at 07:07pm gamepolitics: momma didn't raise no sock puppet
Posted 07/23/08 at 06:15pm Rodrigo Ybáñez García: Jack is a repressed man. Don´t be surprised...
Posted 07/23/08 at 06:07pm GryphonOsiris: So Jack admitted paying for gay porn... all I can say is wow... just wow...
Posted 07/23/08 at 05:09pm lumi: to the case, and he's been on 60 minutes once!
Posted 07/23/08 at 05:09pm lumi: GP, you should mention you'll be filing a legal injunction against him if he doesn't comply. Phoenix Wright will be attached
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:32pm Alteffor: You should add a section to the site for anything Jack CC's to you. It's always entertaining to read the stuff he writes.
Posted 07/23/08 at 03:31pm Matriculated: Does anyone know when the Supreme Court reaches their decission?
Before the game went into final production, Rockstar decided not to include the Hot Coffee content in the release build of the game. Rather than removing the content directly (which, in retrospect, would have been a good idea), the programming team flipped a few bits around in the code to prevent the conditions for accessing the content from ever being satisfied if the game were played as intended. For all practical purposes, the content was locked, it would never be seen, and the problem was solved.
However, modders don't just play games through normal means - they use various tools and methods (the details of which I won't go into) to look at how in-game content is encoded, make their own content either by (a) re-arranging existing parts in the game, such as custom levels and gametypes, or (b) writing new objects of their own, such as custom textures, weapons, or items. Patrick happened to be the first modder to notice the Hot Coffee content while examining the game, and as such, is credited with discovering it. Let's be honest - if he didn't find it, someone else would have eventually. Bravo for being #1, though.
So before you fire off accusations that modders make content and lie about its origins, do a little research to understand how things work. Because when you don't know what you're talking about, you just make an ass of yourself.