Submitted by Tom - March 17, 2008 at 4:40 pm -050071.178.8.21
@ Robert
You're right in that there are certain types of expression that aren't protected. It comes down to an all-or-nothing situation in which provocation, obscenity, threats, incitements to riot, child porn and defamation are specifically not protected by the First Amendment. I don't understand them to be considered "less valued" expression under the law as much as they're not even considered expression to begin with. They all tend to be fluid, though, and as far as I am aware are all subject to the Miller Test to some degree or another. Also, it's important to note that the restrictions aren't curtailing the expression itself as much as they are concerned with the effects of the expression.
My issue was with Hatch's assertion that violent video games were worth less as speech then other violent media. It ties into my long-time and intense frustration with people viewing video games as "expression, only less so." It's an all-or-nothing proposition. You either protect and value speech, or you don't. You can't protect and value speech that you like. That's bullshit and Mr. Hatch is full of it.
@ JustChris
All expression is protected equally. So long as the KKK rally propaganda is inviting people to a lawful assembly and is not an incitement to riot they are within their rights. Hate speech is also generally protected so long as the effects of that hate speech will not cause it to fall under other, non-protected types of speech. For example, a KKK member can use racist terms as much as he or she likes, but if those racist terms are used to provoke or incite a riot then they would not be protected speech.
My view on the matter is that you really need to allow everything. Restricting speech is a slippery slope that could lead to drastically reduced freedoms.
Posted 07/18/08 at 10:32pm Paul T. Farinelli: Seriously, i haven't been so awe-struck by someone's sheer audacity in...ever!
Posted 07/18/08 at 09:45pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of : And I can take "No" for an answer.
Posted 07/18/08 at 09:45pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of : JT is such a tool. He thinks he can have his way just because he's a Christian. Listen up, Jackie-boy, I'm a Christian, too.
Posted 07/18/08 at 09:09pm Paul T. Farinelli: Also, I must say that Jack honestly looks like a serial killer in that pic. (not saying he is one, just that he looks creepy)
Posted 07/18/08 at 09:08pm Paul T. Farinelli: Jace was apparently polite.
Posted 07/18/08 at 09:07pm Paul T. Farinelli: I agree, it just seems like pure insanity that Jack would seriously say that to the man's face during an interview, one in which
Posted 07/18/08 at 07:48pm Jack Wessels: If not then... Damn...
Posted 07/18/08 at 07:48pm Jack Wessels: Hey Dennis, I know you can't share the videos JT sent you, but was there perhaps even a slight amount of sarcasm in his replies?
Posted 07/18/08 at 06:21pm tallimar: ... news story so much as a punch line.
Posted 07/18/08 at 06:21pm tallimar: breaking story: JT hates on game dev, news at 11... id find that interesting to watch only to the point that JT isnt a ...
Posted 07/18/08 at 02:50pm BlackIce: I absolutely refuse to read about that Wanker Cameron
Posted 07/18/08 at 01:52pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of : BTW, anyone see the new JT story Dennis put up?
Posted 07/18/08 at 01:51pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of : IDK about that, Grizzam. Who knows if it did or not?
Posted 07/18/08 at 01:49pm GRIZZAM PRIME: So yeah. E3 hath sucked ballz apparently.
Posted 07/18/08 at 01:42pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of : @BlackIce: But I'm not gonna do it, because I have no reason to do it.
Posted 07/18/08 at 01:36pm BlackIce: No wait.. That's Beemoh that i'm thinking of. KN licks people too.
Posted 07/18/08 at 01:36pm BlackIce: @Shadow Darkman: He's only trying to get you to call him an annoying dick.
Posted 07/18/08 at 12:07pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of: @Rodrigo: You can tell him. Spoilers get more negative attention than they deserve, anyway.
Posted 07/18/08 at 11:51am Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of: *evades Zippy's lick and slaps him* Dude, I'm a guy, and I'm straight. Go find a girl to do that to.
Posted 07/18/08 at 10:38am Rodrigo Ybáñez García: LOL, I don´t know if I can tell you more, because spoilers.
You're right in that there are certain types of expression that aren't protected. It comes down to an all-or-nothing situation in which provocation, obscenity, threats, incitements to riot, child porn and defamation are specifically not protected by the First Amendment. I don't understand them to be considered "less valued" expression under the law as much as they're not even considered expression to begin with. They all tend to be fluid, though, and as far as I am aware are all subject to the Miller Test to some degree or another. Also, it's important to note that the restrictions aren't curtailing the expression itself as much as they are concerned with the effects of the expression.
My issue was with Hatch's assertion that violent video games were worth less as speech then other violent media. It ties into my long-time and intense frustration with people viewing video games as "expression, only less so." It's an all-or-nothing proposition. You either protect and value speech, or you don't. You can't protect and value speech that you like. That's bullshit and Mr. Hatch is full of it.
@ JustChris
All expression is protected equally. So long as the KKK rally propaganda is inviting people to a lawful assembly and is not an incitement to riot they are within their rights. Hate speech is also generally protected so long as the effects of that hate speech will not cause it to fall under other, non-protected types of speech. For example, a KKK member can use racist terms as much as he or she likes, but if those racist terms are used to provoke or incite a riot then they would not be protected speech.
My view on the matter is that you really need to allow everything. Restricting speech is a slippery slope that could lead to drastically reduced freedoms.