Submitted by Jeff - May 7, 2008 at 1:48 pm -050070.88.161.105
@Valdearg

I thank you for being kind enough to provide me with a suitable and logical discussion on the subject.

@Rhade

I think this is where a lot of people are getting confused at the defensiveness of a lot of Christians/Catholics on here. I take no offense when a joke is made about something that has happened in the PAST. That is, at this point, fact. Those kinds of jokes are satirical and don't affect me since I wasn't there to be involved in any of those events. The only jokes I've taken offense to are ones that represent the PRESENT and actually do affect me.

I have no problem with someone making a point about the Christian Crusades or the Catholic Inquisition because I wasn't there and that is beyond my responsibility or the scope of anything that I'm involved with being as it was centuries in the past.

I only take issue with the present simply because it affects me in the here and now. I appreciate what Valdearg has said to me because, though he doesn't agree with what I believe, has stated and made clear to me that he understands what the point is I'm trying to get across and he wasn't insulting or condescending about his point of view.

I'm very accepting of opposing points of view but the moment that point of view comes across as condescending then all credibility is lost. My feeling, with Valdearg at least, is that he is the unfortunate victim of condescending Christians. What I want is an awareness that not all Christians are like that and I want the condescending and egotistically superior people to stop with their propoganda.

I'm all for pointing out the flaws in what someone says but to attack what they believe as being the source of what they say is not right. Especially saying all people who believe this must be of the same opinion as this person. I'm Christian, I don't agree AT ALL with what this guy says. But it feels like I'm coming under attack on this thread by proxy based on my beliefs.

I just ask for consideration for the others on here who are of Christian or Catholic faith.

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