Submitted by bluegus - February 23, 2007 at 1:52 pm -0500
snakestream: You said, "if I had a kid and he thought “**** you, I don’t have to listen to you,” I would beat his ass or throw him out of the house, see how he thrives when he doesn’t have a parent to leach free housing, food, and entertainment from."
See, there's the problem. You don't have kids. Before I had children I thought as you do. If they do X and then don't listen then I'll do Y and they'll fall into line.
But in reality that doesn't necessarily work. There are two things in this world that are incredibly difficult to train. One of them is cats. The other is children. Raising children, especially good children, is a crap-shoot. Sometimes you just get a bad one. Or maybe you displine with the belt when you should be disciplining with love. Or vice versa. Too much love and not enough discipline. Don't presume that you have the answer as to what happened to this kid and what the parents could have done to avoid this.
And you think that being strict = compliance? I have a number of colleagues who represent parents when Child Protective Services tries to take their children away. I have discussed this kind of thing with them. They have had many instances when a teenage child has made up stories of rape, incest, beatings, etc which later turned out to be proven false. Without fail, according to my colleagues, these teens come from either (a) ultra religious households or (b) ultra strict households.
So you see, sometimes displine or religion is not the answer, but the problem.
Posted 08/21/08 at 04:15pm GRIZZAM PRIME: Hot damn, the Trolls must've taken some troll steroids...they are all over today.
Posted 08/21/08 at 03:03pm Talouin: @ZippyDSMlee: Yea, that game has a really high learning curve fun when you got the hang of it but the SE developers need a kick
Posted 08/21/08 at 02:45pm ZippyDSMlee: Talouin:I quit FF11 3 months after I started, is a horrible game from top to bottom.
Posted 08/21/08 at 02:28pm Talouin: @SimonBob: I have never been happier I quit FFXI last month until now.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:59pm ZippyDSMlee: Boyycotting only works when sheeple care, the masses have to want to care about subtleties, in general they do not thus why corporate gets as far as it does. However boycotting can raise a fuss and the bad PR might make them take note.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:20pm SimonBob: There's a full explanation of the FFXI PW fight up: http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/17133.html
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:16pm Talouin: @Quander, That fight is brand spanking new. People just don't know how to do it yet.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:06pm AM: @GP: Boycott is unlikely to be effective due to how few people would be aware/participate. That said, I boycott EA over their "3 installs then buy another copy" copy protection, so I can't say it's NOT a good idea.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:06pm GryphonOsiris: @Scribe, just read that. The reports are saying that is was a targeted killing. Odds are a bully, gang related or something.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:03pm SimonBob: I just glanced over some of the companies' game lists; turns out I was already boycotting three of them anyway.
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:53pm DarkTetsuya: @scribe999 yeah I heard about that, and I *thought* I saw a vulture circling the area...
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:53pm DarkTetsuya: @scribe999 yeah I heard about that, and I *thought* I saw a vulture circling the area...
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:36pm gamepolitics: is a gamer boycott of atari, codemasters, topware and the other 2 UK firms who are extorting file-sharers a good idea?
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:19pm scribe999: Another school shooting...this time in Tennessee. Terrible news. And I'm sure there's much hyperbole to follow.
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:10pm sortableturnip: hehehe ;)
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:09pm DarkTetsuya: @sortableturnip I'm totally putting what you said as my sig :P thanks!
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:02pm sortableturnip: OMG JT speaking in front of another BS group: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2007/09/04/
pardon-our-appearance.aspx?pg=2
&view=threaded
Posted 08/21/08 at 11:50am Neeneko: @Quander - I"m not all that familiar with FFXI, but maybe this mob just requires more gank? or there is a trick? larger group?
Posted 08/21/08 at 07:54am sortableturnip: The "smoking gun" is the Florida Bar dropping its insurance coverage from Nationwide
Posted 08/20/08 at 05:19pm jccalhoun: it would be interesting to hire a detective to investigae Jacko and find out his "smoking gun"
See, there's the problem. You don't have kids. Before I had children I thought as you do. If they do X and then don't listen then I'll do Y and they'll fall into line.
But in reality that doesn't necessarily work. There are two things in this world that are incredibly difficult to train. One of them is cats. The other is children. Raising children, especially good children, is a crap-shoot. Sometimes you just get a bad one. Or maybe you displine with the belt when you should be disciplining with love. Or vice versa. Too much love and not enough discipline. Don't presume that you have the answer as to what happened to this kid and what the parents could have done to avoid this.
And you think that being strict = compliance? I have a number of colleagues who represent parents when Child Protective Services tries to take their children away. I have discussed this kind of thing with them. They have had many instances when a teenage child has made up stories of rape, incest, beatings, etc which later turned out to be proven false. Without fail, according to my colleagues, these teens come from either (a) ultra religious households or (b) ultra strict households.
So you see, sometimes displine or religion is not the answer, but the problem.