Submitted by Hackangel - February 26, 2007 at 6:42 pm -050024.200.62.5
@Mauler
"The specific relief he is asking for is that the courts rule that he isn’t violating *any* of their rights, which would include enforcement of the EULA and as such he is asking the courts to make his bot program legit in game."
I'm not a lawyer so I cant 100% say which one of us is right in this matter but I think you're reading too much into this:
"1. For a judgment and declaration that MDY's WOWGLIDER does not infringe any rights owned by Defendants;
2. For a decree enjoining and restraining Defendants from all further charges of infringement and violations of rights"
Although simply the word "rights" is used in the WOWglider creator suit I truly think it stands for copyrigths and not as you say *any* of their rights. They're pretty much mentionned as intellectual property rights and copyrights in Blizzard's countersuit, not just *any* "rights". It would be seriously ridiculous if someone, creator of bots or not, asks a jury to change Blizzard EULA as they see fit. That person would have to be crazy or joking since it's barely conceivable that they would win.
The baseball analogy still stands. I just need to ask "The sports company asked the team for the right to get the star to endorse their products". Blizzard makes it sounds like the creators of WOWglider forcefully interferes in the "contracts" between Blizzard and it's customers and forcefully makes them ban users of WOWglider. I do not believe it's the case and it will be up to a court if the creators have any responsability in the use of WOWglider beside offering to sell it.
Want another, shorter analogy, I think guns were used. If someone wants to rob a bank and the intention to purhcase a gun to do just so, the seller of the gun will be judged on if the selling of the gun was legal or not but no courts will place blame on him for me robbery.
They also mention how third-party add-on are in violation of the EULA but as I stated before, there are plenty of permitted third party add-ons and Blizzard encourages cheating in a way themselves by promoting twinking.
So I guess we will have to let a court decide who is in the right or wrong here.
Posted 07/04/08 at 03:38pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of : (I know that was late but better late than never.)
Posted 07/04/08 at 03:38pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of : Everyone! Quick! Repent! The Apocalypse approaches! Jack Thompson has been honored for his deeds! *screams and faints*
Posted 07/04/08 at 03:12pm JustChris: The parade was a false hope for jack...an ego boost is an ego boost.
Posted 07/04/08 at 02:33pm Silencets: Read the comments in the Editorial...JT himself in all of his asinine glory was there, as well as details on the parade
Posted 07/04/08 at 02:24pm BlackIce: What?
Posted 07/04/08 at 01:59pm Silencets: I still can't believe JT was in a parade...
Posted 07/04/08 at 11:01am BlackIce: Frank, I watch that when contemplating armed robbery.
Posted 07/04/08 at 10:49am ZippyDSM: Monolith: get a name yet? *yawns* was no on much yestersday.
Posted 07/04/08 at 10:45am Frank: To prepare myself for the agony of writing a long reply I'm watching that clip from FOX news about the torture game 2.
Posted 07/04/08 at 10:43am Frank: After reading Jack's reply I think that at some point today I'm gonna have to give him my own reply.
Posted 07/04/08 at 10:42am eraserheadthelynch: i think noel was on super skunk [cannabis] himself when he made that comment
Posted 07/04/08 at 10:24am Jack Wessels: Haha, Thompson finally replied to the edatorial. Much lulz.
Posted 07/04/08 at 10:20am gamepolitics: heh... GP is like a shark. Can never stop.
Posted 07/04/08 at 10:19am Belgarion89: @GP Dude, they made you work on the 4th? That's harsh!
Posted 07/04/08 at 09:24am eraserheadthelynch: GOD BLESS AMERICA HAPPY 4TH[even though England is better
Posted 07/04/08 at 07:48am beemoh: @ConstantNeophyte: Of course! It's not games that turn people into killers, it's kills that turn people into gamers!
Posted 07/04/08 at 05:47am GRIZZAM PRIME: Happy 4th of July!!!
Posted 07/04/08 at 12:56am eraserheadthelynch: @ConstantNeophyte i thought it was a parady when i read that wow thats so dumb
Posted 07/04/08 at 12:04am Frank: I figured out something more "horrible" then the tortue game two. First read about Jack Thompson then watch Fox news.
Posted 07/04/08 at 12:03am Frank: The day that happens will be a great day in video game history.
"The specific relief he is asking for is that the courts rule that he isn’t violating *any* of their rights, which would include enforcement of the EULA and as such he is asking the courts to make his bot program legit in game."
I'm not a lawyer so I cant 100% say which one of us is right in this matter but I think you're reading too much into this:
"1. For a judgment and declaration that MDY's WOWGLIDER does not infringe any rights owned by Defendants;
2. For a decree enjoining and restraining Defendants from all further charges of infringement and violations of rights"
Although simply the word "rights" is used in the WOWglider creator suit I truly think it stands for copyrigths and not as you say *any* of their rights. They're pretty much mentionned as intellectual property rights and copyrights in Blizzard's countersuit, not just *any* "rights". It would be seriously ridiculous if someone, creator of bots or not, asks a jury to change Blizzard EULA as they see fit. That person would have to be crazy or joking since it's barely conceivable that they would win.
The baseball analogy still stands. I just need to ask "The sports company asked the team for the right to get the star to endorse their products". Blizzard makes it sounds like the creators of WOWglider forcefully interferes in the "contracts" between Blizzard and it's customers and forcefully makes them ban users of WOWglider. I do not believe it's the case and it will be up to a court if the creators have any responsability in the use of WOWglider beside offering to sell it.
Want another, shorter analogy, I think guns were used. If someone wants to rob a bank and the intention to purhcase a gun to do just so, the seller of the gun will be judged on if the selling of the gun was legal or not but no courts will place blame on him for me robbery.
They also mention how third-party add-on are in violation of the EULA but as I stated before, there are plenty of permitted third party add-ons and Blizzard encourages cheating in a way themselves by promoting twinking.
So I guess we will have to let a court decide who is in the right or wrong here.