Submitted by Mark Standridge - July 3, 2007 at 4:19 pm -0500
I'm not quite sure why everybody's jumping for joy--unless I'm grossly misreading Laddy Jack's e-mail, it would seem that he's neither suspended nor being ordered to submit to psych testing. Sheila Tuma is the attorney representing the Bar in its two cases against Jack; she's NOT the referee overseeing the cases (I beleive the Hon. Joseph Farina is the judge/referee for these two cases). My reading of the e-mail is that Tuma came into the mediation with a firm offer of suspension + psych eval, and Laddy Jack walked (incidentally, I think it was Jack himself who demanded that this case be mediated in the first place).
Basically, the way mediation works is that the judge/referee/mediator acts as a go-between among the parties to a lawsuit. Each party comes in starting at their high or low point (e.g. in a simple car wreck case, the Plaintiff comes in asking for $100,000, and the Defense comes in offering nothing). Then, the mediator goes between the parties and pounds on them to either go up or down (thus, making Plaintiff come down from his $100,000 to a more reasonable number, and making Defendant go up from offering absolutely nothing). If the mediator can't get the parties to meet somewhere in the middle, they walk and go to trial.
So, in Laddy Jack's lil' bar episode, Tuma would theoretically come in on behalf of the bar wanting Jack disbarred. Jack would come in wanting no discipline whatsover plus payments of his attorneys fees & costs for having to deal with these Bar cases. If I remember correctly, a while back Jack came crying to GP with another draft filing for the Florida Supreme Court, saying that the Bar was trying to get him to agree to a suspension (which he didn't). It sounds like the Bar's last offer of settlement was 91 day suspension + psych eval, which Jack obviously refused (it'd be interesting to see what Jack's last offer of settlement was). Jack's pulling the "bad faith" card by saying that, essentially, the Bar has upped its settlement demand when, under the norms of mediation, the Bar should be lowering it (i.e. Plaintiff can't come down from $100,000 to $50,000, then ask for $75,000 in the next back-and-forth with the mediator). I believe that's only true if the Bar actually made the original suspension-only offer in the context of mediation (i.e. if they just called or wrote Jack and said please accept this suspension, and he declined, they could ask for more than just a suspension at a mediation of the case).
Bottom line: I don't think this case is anywhere near settled, Jack's not suspended, he's not been ordered to undergo a psych eval, and this case should probably proceed to a full trial, where Judge Farina could theoretically disbar Jack instead of suspending him. It's always dificult to tell what's going on when we only have Laddy Jack's word to work off of. At any rate, there's your lesson in mediation 101 for today [note: lesson does not constitute legal advice].
Posted 08/21/08 at 08:32pm ZippyDSMlee: Talouin: high learning curve my arse!The game is simpley unfun,period!
Posted 08/21/08 at 04:15pm GRIZZAM PRIME: Hot damn, the Trolls must've taken some troll steroids...they are all over today.
Posted 08/21/08 at 03:03pm Talouin: @ZippyDSMlee: Yea, that game has a really high learning curve fun when you got the hang of it but the SE developers need a kick
Posted 08/21/08 at 02:45pm ZippyDSMlee: Talouin:I quit FF11 3 months after I started, is a horrible game from top to bottom.
Posted 08/21/08 at 02:28pm Talouin: @SimonBob: I have never been happier I quit FFXI last month until now.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:59pm ZippyDSMlee: Boyycotting only works when sheeple care, the masses have to want to care about subtleties, in general they do not thus why corporate gets as far as it does. However boycotting can raise a fuss and the bad PR might make them take note.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:20pm SimonBob: There's a full explanation of the FFXI PW fight up: http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/17133.html
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:16pm Talouin: @Quander, That fight is brand spanking new. People just don't know how to do it yet.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:06pm AM: @GP: Boycott is unlikely to be effective due to how few people would be aware/participate. That said, I boycott EA over their "3 installs then buy another copy" copy protection, so I can't say it's NOT a good idea.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:06pm GryphonOsiris: @Scribe, just read that. The reports are saying that is was a targeted killing. Odds are a bully, gang related or something.
Posted 08/21/08 at 01:03pm SimonBob: I just glanced over some of the companies' game lists; turns out I was already boycotting three of them anyway.
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:53pm DarkTetsuya: @scribe999 yeah I heard about that, and I *thought* I saw a vulture circling the area...
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:53pm DarkTetsuya: @scribe999 yeah I heard about that, and I *thought* I saw a vulture circling the area...
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:36pm gamepolitics: is a gamer boycott of atari, codemasters, topware and the other 2 UK firms who are extorting file-sharers a good idea?
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:19pm scribe999: Another school shooting...this time in Tennessee. Terrible news. And I'm sure there's much hyperbole to follow.
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:10pm sortableturnip: hehehe ;)
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:09pm DarkTetsuya: @sortableturnip I'm totally putting what you said as my sig :P thanks!
Posted 08/21/08 at 12:02pm sortableturnip: OMG JT speaking in front of another BS group: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2007/09/04/
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Posted 08/21/08 at 11:50am Neeneko: @Quander - I"m not all that familiar with FFXI, but maybe this mob just requires more gank? or there is a trick? larger group?
Posted 08/21/08 at 07:54am sortableturnip: The "smoking gun" is the Florida Bar dropping its insurance coverage from Nationwide
Basically, the way mediation works is that the judge/referee/mediator acts as a go-between among the parties to a lawsuit. Each party comes in starting at their high or low point (e.g. in a simple car wreck case, the Plaintiff comes in asking for $100,000, and the Defense comes in offering nothing). Then, the mediator goes between the parties and pounds on them to either go up or down (thus, making Plaintiff come down from his $100,000 to a more reasonable number, and making Defendant go up from offering absolutely nothing). If the mediator can't get the parties to meet somewhere in the middle, they walk and go to trial.
So, in Laddy Jack's lil' bar episode, Tuma would theoretically come in on behalf of the bar wanting Jack disbarred. Jack would come in wanting no discipline whatsover plus payments of his attorneys fees & costs for having to deal with these Bar cases. If I remember correctly, a while back Jack came crying to GP with another draft filing for the Florida Supreme Court, saying that the Bar was trying to get him to agree to a suspension (which he didn't). It sounds like the Bar's last offer of settlement was 91 day suspension + psych eval, which Jack obviously refused (it'd be interesting to see what Jack's last offer of settlement was). Jack's pulling the "bad faith" card by saying that, essentially, the Bar has upped its settlement demand when, under the norms of mediation, the Bar should be lowering it (i.e. Plaintiff can't come down from $100,000 to $50,000, then ask for $75,000 in the next back-and-forth with the mediator). I believe that's only true if the Bar actually made the original suspension-only offer in the context of mediation (i.e. if they just called or wrote Jack and said please accept this suspension, and he declined, they could ask for more than just a suspension at a mediation of the case).
Bottom line: I don't think this case is anywhere near settled, Jack's not suspended, he's not been ordered to undergo a psych eval, and this case should probably proceed to a full trial, where Judge Farina could theoretically disbar Jack instead of suspending him. It's always dificult to tell what's going on when we only have Laddy Jack's word to work off of. At any rate, there's your lesson in mediation 101 for today [note: lesson does not constitute legal advice].