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MechaTama31EZK: Who exactly are you quoting with "bullying and threatening"? But yes, I think attacking someone's livelihood because you disagree with their opinion is underhanded and damaging to discourse.07/28/2015 - 7:30pm
E. Zachary KnightOh no. A successful online petition could embolden people to do... what exactly? Do another online petition?07/28/2015 - 7:30pm
Andrew EisenToo bad the counter petition wasn't as popular. But again, yeah, it sucks. For the reasons I've stated over and over now.07/28/2015 - 7:29pm
MechaTama31otherwise want to.07/28/2015 - 7:27pm
MechaTama31AE: I mean like right and wrong, not like true and false. And even the perception that the petition worked could be damaging. It could embolden these types of people in the future, and make it less likely for a retailer to puch back even if they otherwi07/28/2015 - 7:27pm
Andrew EisenBut yes, it is a damn shame that Target decided to kowtow in this case, best business decision or not.07/28/2015 - 7:27pm
Andrew EisenNo one's free expression was impinged. Anyone is welcome to petition whatever they want. Anyone is free to counter petition (and did in this case). Target was free to make it's own decision on whether to continue to stock GTA V or not.07/28/2015 - 7:26pm
E. Zachary KnightMatt, Mecha, So, if a petition asking a store to not sell a game is "bullying and threatening" is a petition asking Intel to pull ads from Gamasutra "bullying and threatening"?07/28/2015 - 7:25pm
MattsworknameAndrew: The fact that it occured, not the reasons for it, is the bigger issue. That a small group like this, under any circumstances, could have that kind of impact, is a serious concern to anyone who values free expression07/28/2015 - 7:23pm
Andrew EisenMecha - As I already said, retailers always have to make that choice. This was just a factor influencing it.07/28/2015 - 7:21pm
Andrew EisenMecha - Yes, the petition was full of factual errors (something I've said repeatedly). And yes, I too don't agree with petitions that aim to remove something just so no one else can enjoy it.07/28/2015 - 7:21pm
MechaTama31AE: extreme hyperbole to illustrate my point, that it's not so much the choice they made, but the fact that they had to make the choice.07/28/2015 - 7:20pm
Andrew EisenMatt - I'm sure it was a factor but most media I saw that offered an opinion on the matter thought the petition was ill-timed bunk.07/28/2015 - 7:19pm
MechaTama31It's not just dumb, AE, it's wrong. It's wrong for people to thinkthey should decide what other people can and can't have. It's wrong for those selfish wishes to have influence (to whatever degree) over real decisions.07/28/2015 - 7:19pm
MattsworknameAndrew, I didn't bring this up. but I think I should, I don't think it's the Numbers of the petiion that are the issue, for target ,it was the media coverage and social media that really drove them to take the game down07/28/2015 - 7:18pm
Andrew EisenAnd really, you're comparing signatories of an online petition to someone threatening to shoot a child and dog?07/28/2015 - 7:17pm
MechaTama31Why not just watch videos of people who do highlight the good things? There's lots of videos out there, I think.07/28/2015 - 7:16pm
Andrew EisenMecha - I'd say both. Seriously, how many damn times do I have to explicitly state the petition was dumb?07/28/2015 - 7:14pm
Andrew EisenBenohawk - And absolutely none of that suggests she's in favor of getting rid of existing games (something she's repeatedly clarified).07/28/2015 - 7:10pm
MechaTama31Say there's someone threatening to shoot a guy's dog, or his child. The guy chooses the dog, to save his child. You're saying it's understandable he would opt to save the child. I'm saying there shouldn't be a lunatic threatening them with a gun.07/28/2015 - 7:06pm

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